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UPS sends an anti 2A volley

HansGruber said:
It’s not a bad idea, but I doubt it will have any effect.

I’m pretty sure that UPS has done the math on this, and knows any business they may lose isn’t going to be too painful.
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What hurts them is when other corporations block them. Say, for instance, Boeing( made up example) or Ford.
We need corp executives on the conservative side to tell the Left policies “we are done with your political agenda”. Just do your job

A baker can get sued for not baking cake, but UPS goes free for refusing to ship a package.
 
Annihilator said:
I just think that USPS can’t ship guns or ammo, even though a few years back, Midway USA shipped me ammo through the post office, I called Midway up and stated why was it shipped that way, we’re you trying to get me into trouble with the postal service, they told me it will be looked into and apologized for it.
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USPS does accept gun shipments! It might have changed in the last 2 years? I ordered a lower from a Texas supplier along with other gun items (all on the same order). They had my ffl's address for shipment, but went to the PO for pickup, signed and 1 box just seemed odd. Opened it up and they just handed me my ffl item. I politely handed it back to them and said you deliver it to them. Called the place I ordered it from and gave them warning! Double check ffl addresses before you ship! It had their (ffl) address, but my name on the package. I've received AR lowers and BA receivers in the mail (usps) and I don't have a ffl. It was the government's fault that guns could get illegally into wrong hands! Gotta stay honest for law abiding citizens!
 
Bassbob said:
If UPS "Seizes and destroys" someone's property, as they claim they will do, I think that may be a federal offense. Certainly it's theft and I see some lawsuits in their future.
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Agreed, refusing to ship is one thing however taking upon themselves to confiscate and destroy something that they have accepted by the shipping company to deliver to the purchaser and then decide to take and destroy is theft and destruction of private property.
 
Keystone19250 said:
Agreed, refusing to ship is one thing however taking upon themselves to confiscate and destroy something that they have accepted by the shipping company to deliver to the purchaser and then decide to take and destroy is theft and destruction of private property.
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I also kinda think we are going to see Fed Ex and USPS ( neither of which are exemplary shipping mediums to begin with) follow suit. This is a concerted effort by the left and the Biden administration to cripple internet firearms and firearms parts sales. Which is a stated goal of the Biden administration. Even if the EPA case the SCOTUS just ruled on DOES end up applying to the ATF as well, there is no way in hell the ATF is going to lift a finger to influence shipping carriers or financial institutions to facilitate internet or mail order business of shipping firearms or firearms parts. Not under the Biden administration anyway. All of which leads me to conclude that the only hope we have of forcing the shipping companies NOT to be complicit in this back door scheme by the Biden administration to end internet and mail order sales of firearms and firearms parts is to make it extremely costly FINANCIALLY for these carriers to get into bed with Biden on this. The odds of that happening are long. Very long. Americans en masse routinely happily drive their lemming like asses right over the cliff. Look at how China now basically owns all our manufacturing and food processing as an example.
 
jumpinjoe said:
I'm thinking we gun owners who individually use UPS from time to time, should just not use them anymore, and especially if we are a business owner who uses UPS. There are other viable options for our shipping needs.

I hate the fact that some corporations have begun to involve themselves in the politics of the day. At some point it will be a major SNAFU for all of us ........... both the corporations who have become political and the buying public who will decide to frequent those businesses or not. Gun owners are a big number of the population and can swing a lot of weight towards or away from any business.

Just something to ponder y'all!
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Annihilator said:
My opinion, don’t use UPS for any of your shipping or ordering from now on, period
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nmedge said:
I hate when businesses get political! Just deliver packages and keep opinions to yourself.
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here in lies the problem(s)....many times when i am ordering something from nearly any website, i don't get a choice as to who can ship to me...seriously, i don't see any choices many times. (i think for instance, Natchez ships only with FedEx, and then i have to stick my thumb, up my butt, and wait like forever for those sloths to actually be on time as per the delivery date)

when it's "free shipping for xx amount of a sale", they do not have a selection for me to choose from.

when there IS a choice, to forgo any free shipping, the cost of another carrier is nearly doubled the price. i bought recently (and still waiting on it) a conversion kit for 45 Colt from Dillon. i can either go with "standard shipping" from USPS, or 2 day at double the price, so much so, at times, the shipping is more than the product i am buying...!!!

when it comes to my Amazon purchases, many times it's Amazon Prime that delivers. (and for free)

other times it's UPS then they switch it in route to USPS....and my letter carrier delivers it.

so, yeah, i'd love to forgo some shipping companies in retribution, but many other times, that just is not possible.
 
Bassbob said:
I also kinda think we are going to see Fed Ex and USPS ( neither of which are exemplary shipping mediums to begin with) follow suit. This is a concerted effort by the left and the Biden administration to cripple internet firearms and firearms parts sales. Which is a stated goal of the Biden administration. Even if the EPA case the SCOTUS just ruled on DOES end up applying to the ATF as well, there is no way in hell the ATF is going to lift a finger to influence shipping carriers or financial institutions to facilitate internet or mail order business of shipping firearms or firearms parts. Not under the Biden administration anyway. All of which leads me to conclude that the only hope we have of forcing the shipping companies NOT to be complicit in this back door scheme by the Biden administration to end internet and mail order sales of firearms and firearms parts is to make it extremely costly FINANCIALLY for these carriers to get into bed with Biden on this. The odds of that happening are long. Very long. Americans en masse routinely happily drive their lemming like asses right over the cliff. Look at how China now basically owns all our manufacturing and food processing as an example.
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i see a way around this BS...

each company have a secondary warehouse, where they ship items out, under a different corporate name.

"divorced" in name only to the parent company.

maybe like, "Gym socks and jock straps R-US"

of course, that would be one helluva heavy jock strap.......if someone were to be buying a AR 15 lower

another thing too, is that these online retailers are going to need a staff of xx number of people, to monitor each and every state's laws and updates. that way, there can be (hopefully) no mistake in shipping items to a forbidden area.

another way out is....

get rid of all the incumbents in the upcoming primaries in September.
 
UPS used to be my shipper of choice, as the driver and me, whom I really liked, were on a first name basis and always delivered on time. I won't use them ever again but I'll miss chatting with him as he's a fellow 2A supporter. I'll let him know why when I see him in the neighborhood. The same for all "woke" companies for me. Maybe someone will sue UPS for violating our 2A rights. Would love to see what SCOTUS would say on that one. Someone should start a lawful 2A only shipping service. :(
 
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Lock n' Load said:
UPS used to be my shipper of choice, as the driver, whom I really liked, were on a first name basis and always delivered on time. I won't use them ever again but I'll miss chatting with him as he's a fellow 2A supporter.
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corporate makes the decisions, the employee's do the suffering.

i know for a fact, at all shipping companies, the drivers are TOLD to "seek out new customers" on thier routes.

when word spreads of this UPS directive, how many warehouses are going to recommend UPS to thier neighboring businesses..??

for the record, i worked at an LTL trucking company, and the former RPS, which was bought out by FedEx, decades ago, and being told, NOT asked to seek out new customers is what the drivers have to do.
 
Old_Me said:
i see a way around this BS...

each company have a secondary warehouse, where they ship items out, under a different corporate name.

"divorced" in name only to the parent company.

maybe like, "Gym socks and jock straps R-US"

of course, that would be one helluva heavy jock strap.......if someone were to be buying a AR 15 lower

another thing too, is that these online retailers are going to need a staff of xx number of people, to monitor each and every state's laws and updates. that way, there can be (hopefully) no mistake in shipping items to a forbidden area.

another way out is....

get rid of all the incumbents in the upcoming primaries in September.
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So your idea is for the company to spend millions to develop a sister company to ship there products because a shipping company is breaking the law is ridiculous.
 
I agree with the shipping that be handled by a nondescript third party logistics center. It’s done often, for example Fedex uses USPS‘ delivery route for some stuff (called Smart Post) as their cost effective alternative but it’s still bound by FedEx rules. The idea of discreet shipping is not new and neither are the rules the bureaucracy manipulates. It may work for a very small operation but on a whole it’s not likely. Once worked for a small company that used an array of shippers and messengers, even transferring a pallet of small boxed items for someone else to use their shrink wrap and labeling system to do shipping. I think this still is done particularly through distributors and “subscription” services for all sorts of goods.

Maybe Brownell’s could retool and open up a chocolate distributer/reseller as their main business with sporting goods being a incidental business pursuit? This is often in the case with liquor licensing for bowling alleys and bring-your-own-bottle restaurants to avoid a full liquor license liability, they sell liquor incidentally to the main business description.
Its no secret that places like Amazon or Home Depot don’t produce a single item, they merely sell other peoples stuff and what-not. Suppose…and the day is coming, when small equipment companies like Toro, Stihl, etc, with gas engines sales including fossil fluids like synth gas and oils, will be banned, these outfits including big players Amz/HD, either COMPLY or be banished by daily fines and ridiculous levies permits.

The failing USPS gets its orders from the Administration as does all major other private entities. It’s why Bailout Build Back programs flourishing. Need a new plot of property for a warehouse, maybe break for this or that, put up a windmill…just go along with the BBB program.
California doesn’t allow non resident Owner Operator trucking companies to come or go to move commerce within. Why? These O/O companies don't pay into CA tax revenue slush fund. This sort of shenanigans can be applied through out by bureaucratic meatheads, be it DOT, CC, IRS, et al, and not limited to just trucking. Muscle out the non-compliant, non-contributor, non-with the program businesses has always been a political party ploy and the plot is widening every day.

Nasty tech algorithms clock every address so it’s difficult to circumvent The Man.
But more railroading and legal problems for certain shippers and manufacturers will come under IRS scrutiny registering as a shipping business. Remember Patriot 501’s? Every business has a code and that code is regulated, monitored and take notice how IRS is expanding their footprint to do plenty more of checking up.

Power and control. Some will be fortunate to be able to go to the pick up-will call as an alternative. But don’t even think about renting a trailer or station wagon like was done in the old days to bring fireworks or caseloads of Coors to east of the Mississippi.
 
TEXASforLIFE said:
USPS does accept gun shipments! It might have changed in the last 2 years? I ordered a lower from a Texas supplier along with other gun items (all on the same order). They had my ffl's address for shipment, but went to the PO for pickup, signed and 1 box just seemed odd. Opened it up and they just handed me my ffl item. I politely handed it back to them and said you deliver it to them. Called the place I ordered it from and gave them warning! Double check ffl addresses before you ship! It had their (ffl) address, but my name on the package. I've received AR lowers and BA receivers in the mail (usps) and I don't have a ffl. It was the government's fault that guns could get illegally into wrong hands! Gotta stay honest for law abiding citizens!
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Yup. I had a recent online firearm purchase go USPS to my listed FFL. I emailed them thinking it was a mistake, but they insisted it was OK. When I went to the FFL for the Xfer and BGC, I asked my sales buddy “is this legal shipping through USPS”, and he said yes, they get several this way.
I’ve also received one AR upper, and a Pellet rifle (currently considered full fledged firearms in neighboring States NJ & NY), via USPS as well.
 
TXBuzzard said:
UPS in my area is horrible. Constantly get notifications that they missed me and I’d have to pickup my package locally… when I was home the entire time. Anytime I have a choice I’ll go for another delivery option.
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i make it a habit, that when a package is being delivered, by ANY service, i track it up to as close to the delivery as possible. here, it's 50/50 regarding UPS and "real time" tracking.

sometimes, i can get that, others i just get an hourly update.

but anyways, no matter who is home at the time (usually me since most packages are for me), i'll watch the tracking, then go outside and sit on the front porch, puffing on a cigar.

no way in hell can the driver (of any delivery company) say, that "he missed me"......

every delivery service company center, is like a 10 mile drive (or less) away from me, and i can assure you that i HAVE gone in person and complained LOUDLY at who ever is behind the service counter on such horse pucky...

up to and including photos of the signs i have posted as to where the packages are to be placed......

somehow, no one argues with me after that.

people just want a paycheck, but don't wanna be bothered making multiple stops.

why apply for the job then..???

that's what you have to do, go in person, and get into someone's face, BIG TIME.
 
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