Uscca affiliation

[KBnMN]

Hi,

Tonight I attended the USCCA panel discussion at my range. The panel discussion included a couple of state legislators, members of the Wisconsin State Assembly, plus a couple of USCCA representatives. Katie Pointer Baney is the Managing Director of Government Affairs for the USCCA.

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She was quite bubbly and acted as the moderator for the discussion and Q&A. Also in attendance was the main attorney/spokesperson for USCCA, Tom Grieve. He was an affable, approachable fellow and we got to talk for several minutes before the presentation.

I asked him specifically about situations that would cause USCCA/Delta Defense to drop my coverage. He said, basically, don't commit a crime (i.e. murder, armed robbery, etc) and if the judge allows a your attorney to plead self-defense, you're golden. I also asked specifically about the Alan Colie case. It turns out Alan Colie is still a member of USCCA and was never "dropped" from coverage. More information in this YT video right from the horse's mouth.

I asked Mr. Grieve if he knew Andrew Branca (Law of Self Defense/CCW Safe advocate) and they've never met. However Mr. Grieve did reveal to me that Mr. Branca at one time used to be affiliated with USCCA but there was a "falling out" and it seems Mr. Branca had an "ax to grind", hence his negativity.

We did not speak at length about the Kayla Giles case other than he agreed with me that shooting someone through a door is hard to consider an imminent threat. There was more evidence for a premeditated event and less for a self-defense event. Again, don't purposely commit a crime and expect to be covered.

I don't know if you noticed in the comments below the video linked above, there seems to have been issues with other defense coverage companies too.

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I also found out that every company has exclusions. For example, here are a few of the CCW Safe and U.S. Law Shield exclusions:



And...



But enough of that. Just make sure the self defense coverage you choose is right for you.

The panel discussion started right on time.

The discussion dealt mostly with legislation in our state, what's coming up in the new legislative session, both good and bad.

There was a lot of "get out the vote" talk, bring a friend to the polls, etc. It surprised me that there was not a big sales pitch at the end of the discussion. In fact, there was no sales pitch at all. There was a very small marksmanship contest after the discussion. Of course, I took part.

It was a simple course of action, 10 hits as close to the bullseye as you could get, smallest group wins. My target came back like this.

Yeah, yeah, I know. Four hits low/left outside the center circle. The winner had only one hit outside the circle. However, I did win a raffle drawing and got to take home a couple of lovely consolation gifts.

It's a really nice YETI cooler and an IFAK with gloves, shears, 2" medical tape, Krinkle gauze roll, Olaes modular bandage, Halo seal, and tourniquet. It'll work in an emergency.

So after talking to Tom Grieve himself, doing a little more research, and taking into consideration the recent policy changes of the USCCA/Delta Defense, I'm going to stay with them but keep up my vigilance. Both Katie and Tom said feel free to reach out with questions and concerns. If you guys have any I'd be happy to pass them along and get some more answers. Thank you all for your discussion. I hope this has been of some help to you.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff

Thank you for the thorough and well written response. Much appreciated!

 

[jschmidt]

Three out of four have a domestic violence exclusion. This is further proof of the relationship of domestic violence to community violence and mass shootings.

I can see the commercial
USCCA, the choice of wifebeaters everywhere

 

[Bassbob]

Three out of four have a domestic violence exclusion. This is further proof of the relationship of domestic violence to community violence and mass shootings.

I can see the commercial
USCCA, the choice of wifebeaters everywhere

No it's not.

I've asked you for evidence of it many times and you can't produce it. Do you know why? Because it's statistically insignificant. You don't seem to eager to talk about the overwhelming democgraphic and geopolitical relationship to the vast majority of gun crimes.