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What does expanded background checks mean though?

Bassbob

Bassbob

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They are saying that what the left has been calling "Universal Background Checks" is off the table in the current collaboration between dems and reps who want to "Do something" even if it doesn't do anything. There are however saying they are going to expand or fix the existing system. I know they are talking about making minor/juvenile records discoverable. I'm thinking they are going to try to do away with or extend the 3 day rule on delayed NICS checks, which was put in there to keep the feds from effectively denying you by simply never approving you.
 
Jfal said:
I was under the impression that the term "Universal Background Check" loosely translates into to a national database, some calling for it to be public access. We all know what that will turn in to...
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If private gun sales are outlawed the only mechanism for enforcement would be a national database. All the MSM outlets are saying it would make it so you have to do a BGC at gun shows and on the internet. Which you already have to do.

Basically we are seeing the left and the media take pages out of the same old tired playbook they were using in the 90s. Spouting the same lies, cooked stats and pleading about " We gotta do it for the children". NRA is evil, rinse repeat, ad nauseum. Same shite over and over.

Tell you one thing. It's the big reason they lost the vote of rank and file union members. I work in a union company. 1400 employees. I can think of 4 guys that voted for Joe and they're black.
 
The way These people think…it might mean they want all the names of your relatives, their middle names, initials, and all hyphenations (pronoun delete), your credit score, educational background, ability to pay legal fees, shoe size and tolerance to soy based prison food.

Nobody there can define assault weapon.
Defining “universal” would be even more baffling. To some.
 
I don't think these people are intelligent enough to understand what it takes to purchase a gun. They think there are circumstances that you can walk into a store and purchase a gun without a BCG. Or you can just order one over the internet and get it delivered to your door without a BCG. They present it this way and the general public doesn't know enough to understand either. I'm sure when polls show 80% of the public are in favor of "Universal Background Checks", they believe the above. I've never heard any of these talking heads in DC explain exactly what they mean by UBC. I don't think they know. It's just a talking point...
 
In addition to the gun registry, there is another angle to consider. In many renditions of these bills, it criminalizes loaning or even simply handing a gun to another person without a background check. For example, you are at the range and the guy in the next stall is admiring your new Bugzapper 22. You might be a criminal if you allow him to take a few shots with it. Want to let your son go to the 4H target shoot? No can do. Handing him your gun might be a crime. You are in court all day as a juror and want to go shooting afterward with your wife who will bring the guns? Busted. Want to go hog hunting with your Dad's .308? He will have to do a background check to hand it to you then do one to hand it back to him when you are done. Do you want to rent a Hellcat to try before you buy? That will be 2 Background checks please.

At $25 to $50 a pop for each check, you are talking some serious money just to do these simple things. Imagine if you had to re-register your car every time your son wanted to borrow it for a date, take your daughter to school or go out for burgers.
 
somorris said:
I believe if you think there isn’t a registry being kept right now, probably by ATF, you are just fooling yourself.
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Especially since back when the NICS was implemented that guy who was running the DOJ, live on tv, claimed the government computers were not capable of deletion. So after the 88 days has passed it’s reasonable to assume the record of your transaction remains on the gubmint database
 
uspatriot1960 said:
I don't think these people are intelligent enough to understand what it takes to purchase a gun. They think there are circumstances that you can walk into a store and purchase a gun without a BCG. Or you can just order one over the internet and get it delivered to your door without a BCG. They present it this way and the general public doesn't know enough to understand either. I'm sure when polls show 80% of the public are in favor of "Universal Background Checks", they believe the above. I've never heard any of these talking heads in DC explain exactly what they mean by UBC. I don't think they know. It's just a talking point...
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The major changes I have read is that UBC implementation will usher in (or make easier to implement) the inclusion of psychiatric history regardless of HIPA. You see the head doctor and he determines whether you need to be entered into the "database", you get put on psychotropic drugs and you get entered into the "database", that is then accessible by NICS. Also NICS access to so called sealed court documents such as juvie criminal records.
In addition to that they want to require UBC to buy at a gun shows as well as private party sales. Another thing I am seeing thrown around alot is instituting a 3 day waiting (cooling off) period and strengthening the requirements to qualify for a Federal Gun License.
 
BreakingWind said:
The major changes I have read is that UBC implementation will usher in (or make easier to implement) the inclusion of psychiatric history regardless of HIPA. You see the head doctor and he determines whether you need to be entered into the "database", you get put on psychotropic drugs and you get entered into the "database", that is then accessible by NICS. Also NICS access to so called sealed court documents such as juvie criminal records.
In addition to that they want to require UBC to buy at a gun shows as well as private party sales. Another thing I am seeing thrown around alot is instituting a 3 day waiting (cooling off) period and strengthening the requirements to qualify for a Federal Gun License.
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Sounds more like “expanded” or “comprehensive” BGC rather than “Universal” BGC. Not that one is any better than the other…
 
It's already illegal to sell guns without a background check at a gun show if you are a FFL. And I have never heard of any gun shows that allow vendors to sell guns without a FFL. It's a solution in search of a problem. Same thing with 3 day waiting periods. Especially for people that already own a bunch of guns.
 
And what about states that are constitutional carry including that same state that allows private sales without an FFL check? Would federal override state??
And of course my favorite question would these new expanded/universal BGC include issues where some should not be allowed because of documented mental health problems???

To many questions not enough answers.
 
Keystone19250 said:
And what about states that are constitutional carry including that same state that allows private sales without an FFL check? Would federal override state??
And of course my favorite question would these new expanded/universal BGC include issues where some should not be allowed because of documented mental health problems???

To many questions not enough answers.
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I am assuming that when Missouri passed the nation's strongest and most enforceable Second Amendment Preservation Act, which makes it illegal for LEO or state authorities to enforce any unconstitutional federal gun laws under penalty of permanent disbarment and a $50,000 fine, it means that if the feds want to enforce them they will have to come in and do it themselves.
 
Bassbob said:
It's already illegal to sell guns without a background check at a gun show if you are a FFL. And I have never heard of any gun shows that allow vendors to sell guns without a FFL. It's a solution in search of a problem. Same thing with 3 day waiting periods. Especially for people that already own a bunch of guns.
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Haven't been to a gun show in decades. I read that they had a study that the 3 day wait did reduce gun violence especially on the domestic violence front by a noticeable amount (if I remember correctly 13%) as well as prevented suicides. I read it on the internet so it must be true...
 
Bassbob said:
I am assuming that when Missouri passed the nation's strongest and most enforceable Second Amendment Preservation Act, which makes it illegal for LEO or state authorities to enforce any unconstitutional federal gun laws under penalty of permanent disbarment and a $50,000 fine, it means that if the feds want to enforce them they will have to come in and do it themselves.
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Which would be fiscally impossible.
 
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