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What does expanded background checks mean though?

Keystone19250 said:
And what exactly is so slippery about it?
Of course it’s not talked about in depth it’s a known fact that many of the mass shootings are done by individuals with mental health issues.
It’s time to stop being so sensitive, if you have mental health problems you can’t buy a gun plain and simple.
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Ok. Define mental health problems ? Wife leaves you for your brother and takes your house and kids with her, you get depressed and go to see a shrink, no gun for you ?
 
Bassbob said:
Ok. Define mental health problems ? Wife leaves you for your brother and takes your house and kids with her, you get depressed and go to see a shrink, no gun for you ?
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Without asking I think you know exactly what I mean, a lot of people need someone to talk to to vent. I’m talking about someone who has exhibited long term documented issues, talked about suicide and maybe attempted it one or more times or possibly talked about killing people.

Sandy Hook shooter had documented severe mental health issues which was well known and yet was allowed unfettered access to multiple firearms and although the guns purchased by his mother were kept in a safe he knew where the key was and she was the first to die that day.

I have no problem saying my son attempted suicide because of being severe bipolar, he lives with my ex and has no access to firearms and I’m totally ok with that.
 
I am really surprised that these blue states have not adopted Illinois rule
To own a firearm you need to apply for an F.O.I.D. card which requires a background check.
To get a CCL you need to take a class, pay a fee and get another background check and then you wait, I'm still waiting!!!
To sell privately you must know the laws to see if the buyer can legally own a firearm and you must check the ISP website to see if this individual has a valid F.O.I.D. card so they can legally purchase your firearm.
If you sell a firearm without all of these checks you could be charged with gun trafficking by an overzealous prosecutor.
 
Wirenut said:
I am really surprised that these blue states have not adopted Illinois rule
To own a firearm you need to apply for an F.O.I.D. card which requires a background check.
To get a CCL you need to take a class, pay a fee and get another background check and then you wait, I'm still waiting!!!
To sell privately you must know the laws to see if the buyer can legally own a firearm and you must check the ISP website to see if this individual has a valid F.O.I.D. card so they can legally purchase your firearm.
If you sell a firearm without all of these checks you could be charged with gun trafficking by an overzealous prosecutor.
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It just may come to that.
 
Wirenut said:
I am really surprised that these blue states have not adopted Illinois rule
To own a firearm you need to apply for an F.O.I.D. card which requires a background check.
To get a CCL you need to take a class, pay a fee and get another background check and then you wait, I'm still waiting!!!
To sell privately you must know the laws to see if the buyer can legally own a firearm and you must check the ISP website to see if this individual has a valid F.O.I.D. card so they can legally purchase your firearm.
If you sell a firearm without all of these checks you could be charged with gun trafficking by an overzealous prosecutor.
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That sounds like an awful lot of restrictions on the 2nd Amendment… I don’t like that at all. More and more states are going to Constitutional Carry. But, of course, you must still pass a BGC to purchase the firearm.
 
It may sound silly but I’m rethinking my everyday T-shirt which was always one of my many Springfield Armory (T’s) showing handguns, I’ve also moved my cardboard target holder from my apartment patio to the back of my truck just so nobody can see it and get concerned that I might be a “gun nut”
 
Keystone19250 said:
It may sound silly but I’m rethinking my everyday T-shirt which was always one of my many Springfield Armory (T’s) showing handguns, I’ve also moved my cardboard target holder from my apartment patio to the back of my truck just so nobody can see it and get concerned that I might be a “gun nut”
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I’m not changing the way I dress or anything, if anyone has an issue they can just get over it, if not tough 💩! I could care less what others think.
 
Wirenut said:
I am really surprised that these blue states have not adopted Illinois rule
To own a firearm you need to apply for an F.O.I.D. card which requires a background check.
To get a CCL you need to take a class, pay a fee and get another background check and then you wait, I'm still waiting!!!
To sell privately you must know the laws to see if the buyer can legally own a firearm and you must check the ISP website to see if this individual has a valid F.O.I.D. card so they can legally purchase your firearm.
If you sell a firearm without all of these checks you could be charged with gun trafficking by an overzealous prosecutor.
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I don’t believe in any of the above mentioned, FOID and such, that’s nothing but the government trying to infringe on my rights, Illinois is a real bad comparison for anything.
 
Keystone19250 said:
And what exactly is so slippery about it?
Of course it’s not talked about in depth it’s a known fact that many of the mass shootings are done by individuals with mental health issues.
It’s time to stop being so sensitive, if you have mental health problems you can’t buy a gun plain and simple.
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Whats so slippery is where do you draw the line and once "tagged" how do you get the label removed. Everybody that seeks psychiatric care for mental issues is not looney tunes. With the government in control they will undoubtedly go too far to err on the side of caution. What about people under psychiatric care for anxiety, someone that has a mental break due to the loss of a loved one, how about the veteran with PTSD.
Herein lies the problem, even small changes I agree with, I disagree with because if you allow the rabid anti-gun groups a small victory they can't take the small victory and walk away.
 
Annihilator said:
I’m not changing the way I dress or anything, if anyone has an issue they can just get over it, if not tough 💩! I could care less what others think.
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@Annihilator keep dressing the way you like and we will still accept you......... Well maybe accept you from a distance, but respect none the less. 😂

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BreakingWind said:
Whats so slippery is where do you draw the line and once "tagged" how do you get the label removed. Everybody that seeks psychiatric care for mental issues is not looney tunes. With the government in control they will undoubtedly go too far to err on the side of caution. What about people under psychiatric care for anxiety, someone that has a mental break due to the loss of a loved one, how about the veteran with PTSD.
Herein lies the problem, even small changes I agree with, I disagree with because if you allow the rabid anti-gun groups a small victory they can't take the small victory and walk away.
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Let me ask you this, what are you more concerned about a few people being “tagged” as unable to purchase a gun? Or continuing to watch the news about very young children being murdered in there classrooms?????

It took a long time for me to get involved with these threads because my views are probably not inline with others but I’m SICK AND TIRED of children dying so don’t bother responding I’m done with this thread!!!
 
Keystone19250 said:
Without asking I think you know exactly what I mean, a lot of people need someone to talk to to vent. I’m talking about someone who has exhibited long term documented issues, talked about suicide and maybe attempted it one or more times or possibly talked about killing people.

Sandy Hook shooter had documented severe mental health issues which was well known and yet was allowed unfettered access to multiple firearms and although the guns purchased by his mother were kept in a safe he knew where the key was and she was the first to die that day.

I have no problem saying my son attempted suicide because of being severe bipolar, he lives with my ex and has no access to firearms and I’m totally ok with that.
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i knew what YOU meant, but what I am saying is that YOU aren't going to be the one deciding. I trust you, I don't trust the people who will actually be making the call on who gets their rights taken away.
 
I don't believe anyone on this forum is OK with kids being murdered. What we don't like is the disingenuous position that people who oppose draconian gun restriction and confiscation laws somehow are OK with it.

Explain to me how anything the Marxist left is proposing will stop future tragedy. That argument cannot be made in a realistic and logical manner. Maybe isn't a compelling argument to advocate for the removal of rights of the overwhelming majority of the citizens.

Simply "doing something" isn't a logical answer. We need to do the right things. Those who oppose armed security in schools to protect kids are morally bankrupt, especially when they use the "save one child" argument. They don't care about kids. They care about their agenda.
 
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