TEXASforLIFE
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By no means it isn't capitalism! I'm not saying you think that!
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Old_Me
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Fahrenheit 451, can't be far behind.
In an oppressive future, a fireman whose duty is to destroy all books begins to question his task.
In an oppressive future, a fireman whose duty is to destroy all books begins to question his task.
Bassbob
Emissary
They don't gotta burn the books they just remove 'em - Zack De La RochaFahrenheit 451, can't be far behind.
In an oppressive future, a fireman whose duty is to destroy all books begins to question his task.
the obsrver
Master Class
I understand what you are saying, it is not a family affair anymore.
I however have a real big problem with putting to many eggs in one basket. That sounds like a good way to end up with a food shortage someday.
My post was more about people in general and was not trying to pick on farmers. It all goes back to pride and respect. If you accomplish nothing, you have neither pride nor respect. You get pride from a job well done and I do not care if it is cooking a burger or mowing a lawn. You get the concept of respect (self respect we will throw in with pride) because now you know what someone else does for a living. Again it does not matter if it is cooking a burger or mowing a lawn or washing and waxing a car or shingling your shed.
But many women want to be kept and do not do or help with these things and neither do far to many kids.
I will tell you another secret. Be single for several years and you will soon realize how good home cooked food tastes that you do not have to cook or that you do not have to wash every single dish yourself.
Funwithfuel
Custom
I'm pretty sure i posted this previously on the forum. 70 years ago, they were on the mark. Our country is falling further and further down the rabbit hole daily. I know nothing about farming, so i couldn't contribute earlier. I have observed how people's children are more feral at earlier ages with each generation. The "everyone gets a trophy" kids are now adults who vote. Guess what they vote for. Free $h!t, that's what. When values, ethics and respect are reintroduced, maybe we can turn things around.
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BET7
Ronin
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HansGruber
Ronin
You are dead on with the food shortage...when you have central Minnesota farmland owned by New York investment funds...you have a problem.
Farming is no longer the robust system it once was. And it never will be again, either.
TEXASforLIFE
SAINT
What we as farmers farm in America vastly goes to other countries as trade and/or free at this country's expense. Our prices continue to rise for other countries to make our supplies as unemployment goes up. Companies invest elsewhere for their capatolism, so pee on capitolism!
Cheap propaganda film prior to McCarthyism poison.
Extremism on one side's as bad as the other.
They generally both do the same as the other,
Society is generally better off when balanced in the middle.
Then as now, the balance is off kilter. Too many extremists.
I don't see where freedom of speech is under attack from the government, which is the only thing the First applies to, or religion at all in any real way. Yes, there is a movement to restrict 2A. It hasn't been successful, nor will it be, because most people aren't behind it. Every generation thinks the new one sucks. In the 50s they thought Elvis was corrupting kids with his hips. In the 80s there was the Satanic Panic. Those were all nonsense from the older generation that didn't like thinks being different. Really, it's just that life has changed. Kids today face different challenges and need different skills to get ahead. Esports pay a surprisingly good amount of money on YouTube-type platforms and in competitions, so video games can actually pay off. Working on a farm or the Ford plant isn't going to give you the secure, middle-class life it did in 1967. Learning to program games and software probably will. My grandparents were married at 19 with kids by 24. No one does that now because they can't afford to. It's just what is. The kids don't have a say in it. Let's face it, unless you were a white kid in 1955 from a middle to upper class family it's always a crappy time to be growing up because the goal posts keep changing. Right now is terrible; this is the first generation of kids expected to have less wealth than their parents and it had nothing to do with the kids themselves. Pensions are rare, cost of living is way higher, tuition costs went bonkers, health care costs skyrocketed, housing is stupid expensive, food costs more, but wages have hardly gone up at all. They're screwed from the start.
The culture fights are silly, and the right wing is just as bad as the woke mob with their desire to impose values on others, but those are just an annoyance. The fact that out kids are screwed from day one is a much bigger problem.
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Man, that's a propaganda scare film and a product of the times. Theres no legitimate communist movement here. Socialist, sure, but they aren't the same thing. Even socialist countries arent all the same. Venezuela = train wreck; Denmark = way better quality of life than we have here. We already have a ton of socialism in this county such as social security, community fire and police departments, community colleges, infrastructure paid for by the country, etc.
As I said above, kids today are screwed. Getting a degree costs as much as a house and you can't discharge that debt at all. Yet they basically need a college degree to start a career. So you have 23 year old kids doing what they know they need to do to make a good living in most cases but the costs are so high they'll never be able to buy a house or retire comfortably. At the same time corporate entities make obscene profits and pay nothing because the deck is entirely stacked in their favor. Why is anyone surprised that you adults are sick of getting the shaft and would like to be the ones getting a break for a change? They aren't entitled, they're looking at a lifetime of getting bent over the barrel so rich dicks can have a other house in the Hamptons and they aren't happy about it. Nor should they be. That's just wrong. We used to, even under Republicans, tax the hell out of the rich so the not rich had a chance. Then Reagan decided to change that and the middle and lower classes have been ****ed ever since. The fault doesn't belong to the kids and young adults. There arent bootstraps big enough to give them the chances their parents had.
Funwithfuel
Custom
Its about the schools and educational institutions indoctrinating our children. "It's ok to play with yourself" (education approved for 8-10 year olds.) Everybody gets a prize. Nobody wins but everyone gets a participation award. No drive to succeed or exceed expectations, and the schools say,"that's ok, we don't want anyone feeling left out." They should be left out, be the last one picked for teams etc. It lights a fire under their @$$ to step up and be better. We were a country of leaders and innovators, now , we're the "also ran or honorable mention team."
I understand what you are saying and respect your position, benstt, but I disagree. A lot of the rich folks, like the late Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Paul Allen, professional sports figures and many, many more (including some in my family) were in the right place at the right time, worked hard, and were rewarded with a lot of money. Why, exactly, should they have the hell taxed out of them to support folks with less ambition and a poor work ethic? You may feel socialism is a better answer than capitalism, but I prefer to feel that each individual is responsible for themselves and if they don't want to work, then they do not deserve the same "perks" as someone who does want to and is willing to work.
I feel the fault likely doesn't belong to the kids, like you said, but it belongs at the feet of those in our society who think anybody "deserves" anything. I my thinking, it isn't that Ford or working on a farm is less rewarding than it used to be, it is just that building Ford vehicles and farming have moved on from manual labor to robotics and mechanization. Those who are willing to put in the effort and time to learn how to prosper considering those changes can still retire comfortably and live well in the mean time. A person cannot blame someone else for their failures and shortcomings, and throwing a temper tantrum and destroying someone else's property will not change things in a positive way.
Just my $0.02 worth.
the obsrver
Master Class
In the right place at the right time.
The biggest problem with the system is just how the old saying goes, you can ruin a good employee by having a boss who tolerates (or rewards) a bad one. To me idc if someone has been there a month, if they know as much as the guy who has been there 20 years, why is the pay so far apart? Maybe not a month, but if you have a guy who has not missed a day in a year, who does good work and is knowledgeable, how do you justify a 25 cent raise?
I actually knew someone who got a 15 cent raise and took home less per week because of it. He told them to take the raise back!!! (this was 15 years ago too).
So the 1 guy gets 25 cents and the guy who works half as hard, is no where near the same level of employee in any measure, gets a 20 cent raise. again how is that right of justified??? What kind of employee are you trying to attract and keep?
To me, and I have seen how many many companies operate, the problem is with supervisors and bosses.
As a young man, I was a supervisor and my guys would run through a brick wall if I asked them to. I treated them a certain way and I did some things that the owner questioned. I said has any project you ever put me on came in late? No. Has any project you ever put me on come in over budget? No. Am I doing anything that could cause legal problems? No. So if I tell my guys (who all had an agreement to never work Saturdays) that if they get the job done before noon on a Saturday morning and we have to pay for an hour that they are not working because they finished early, why are you questioning me? They worked hard to get that hour off paid. They could of just complained and drug azz all morning and it could have taken until 1:00 because they would have stopped to eat lunch. The owner did not know what to say. Then he hired a project manger to oversee all the supervisors and I told him not to do it. Not to hire that guy. 6 months later, I left the company. 6 months after that half the employees had been turned over. A year after that and the company started to sink.
Like I said I have been around many many companies and sometimes they do not like what I have to tell them, but the workings of a company and profit are something i am good at.
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Funwithfuel
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When i was a kid (70s) the school principal could swat your behind if you got outta line. (Yes, public school) The teacher would keep me in from recess if I acted up or was lacking in my studies. She'd also keep me after school if it was warranted. I respect and appreciate each of them for what they gave to me. It wasn't until I was a parent that I understood.
So, 20 years later, my children are in school. Teacher calls for a conference. Sure. No problem. She tells me all the same BS my teachers told my folks. But, and this is a really big but, have you had him tested for ADHD, some pills might turn him around. 8 years old, pills? I explained as tactfully as I could where she could file her suggestions. So then she's on about, its not fair to the other children if mine needs an extra explanation or interpretation. I said,"well Ma'am, it's your task to educate, isn't it? Keep him in from recess, make him stay after, make him write out his times tables, something. " Her reply was priceless, "I don't get paid to do that, that's my time!"
The teachers aren't in it to mold young lives and inspire leaders , develop strong minds with good ethics. They seem to be there for a paycheck, an extended vacation, benefits and no accountability. Please notice i said "seems to be " I know there have to be good teachers left, just haven't met any.
That's just one small part of a broken system
So, 20 years later, my children are in school. Teacher calls for a conference. Sure. No problem. She tells me all the same BS my teachers told my folks. But, and this is a really big but, have you had him tested for ADHD, some pills might turn him around. 8 years old, pills? I explained as tactfully as I could where she could file her suggestions. So then she's on about, its not fair to the other children if mine needs an extra explanation or interpretation. I said,"well Ma'am, it's your task to educate, isn't it? Keep him in from recess, make him stay after, make him write out his times tables, something. " Her reply was priceless, "I don't get paid to do that, that's my time!"
The teachers aren't in it to mold young lives and inspire leaders , develop strong minds with good ethics. They seem to be there for a paycheck, an extended vacation, benefits and no accountability. Please notice i said "seems to be " I know there have to be good teachers left, just haven't met any.
That's just one small part of a broken system
Funwithfuel
Custom
Brother, socialism breeds communism. Its one small step in the process. It may be propaganda, but do you honestly find fault with what is stated. Look at it with an open mind.
More than once , I've felt we weren't on the same page, but Iwrote it off as, "I can't see your tone or inflection in print"
I'm starting to think we are further apart than i thought. It's ok though. That's what makes this country great. Different points of view, different backgrounds, different people.
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
jumpinjoe
Hellcat
Good god, there is so many things in this I disagree with it's amazing ...... note I didn't say they were wrong, only that I disagree. I'll identify a few:
"I don't see where freedom of speech is under attack from the government, ....." Are you kidding? Just try using any slang for any of the LBGTQ's and see how long it takes for you to be brought up on charges of using HATE speech. Or slang for a black man, and see how long it takes for you to be jailed. I'm not in support of any slang towards any ethnic or any other group or race. Just citing examples really quickly.
"Yes, there is a movement to restrict 2A. It hasn't been successful, nor will it be, because most people aren't behind it."..... I remember a time not so many years ago I, at 10 yrs old could walk into a local hardware store and buy not just box of shotgun shells, but the shotgun as well. I could order from a sears catalog almost any deer rifle I wanted and have it delivered to my front door, and then I could hang in the rear window of my truck in school and no one cared. Sure can't do that now. Do I need to continue?
"Kids today face different challenges and need different skills to get ahead." Actually this assertion is true ... but then you go on talking about how the poor things have to pay exorbitant tuition to get a degree .... that in many cases is worthless. It's not because it costs so much, but because it's actually virtually worthless .... but it hangs that sheepskin on their wall and provides some of them that 4 yrs of fun and frolic with all their friends. I googled the 50 least likely degrees to pay a reasonable wage, but won't list them all here. I won't print the entire list here, but you can read it at this site.
50 college majors that earn the least money
Stacker researched the 50 college majors that earn the least money, using PayScale's 2020 College Salary Report.
"Right now is terrible; this is the first generation of kids expected to have less wealth than their parents and it had nothing to do with the kids themselves." Of course it has to do with the kids themselves for all/some of the reasons I've listed above. More than anything I've written here is the fact that almost every night we (a lot of us from circa: 1955) sit around these computers and most of us usually have said something relative to our kids and how well they are doing. The folks on this forum are generally pretty self sufficient/reliant folks, and maybe that explains it. You know it's been said "The apple doesn't fall far from the tree".
"They're screwed from the start." They're only screwed if those whom they look toward for guidance allow them to screw themselves. Those who have been taught the difference between the 'real' world and their so-called 'virtual' worlds will make out fine. The others, well maybe not so fine. But, they will always have enablers and excuse makers out there pulling for them.
"the right wing is just as bad as the woke mob with their desire to impose values on others" Here again I'll agree, but I'll also say that if those values imposed are in being patriotic, not being ashamed to cite the pledge to our flag, not being ashamed to sing and stand for our national anthem, to being kind and showing respect to others, to give an honest day's work for an honest day's pay, to maintain proven morals and traditional values from yrs gone by, then I'll take those impositions any day to some/most of what we generally hear today being forced upon us by the 'Woke' folks. At least I won't have to try explaining to my 5 yr old grand daughter why those two men over there don't have any backside in their pants and are kissing. Or why there's two men sitting on the couch together, kissing and stuff on that TV commercial.... why are they doing that grandpa? But then what the hell, that's just me !!!
No intentional offense to anyone is intended here, only to some of the assertions posted ..... certainly hope none was taken personally.
StillLearning
Elite
I'm currently being optimistic about the "kids" coming out of high-school and college right now. From my very small sample size they seem to have a different awareness or visibility of the "participation trophy" generation. They have seen the decay....maybe it's some of the things that went on while they were growing up that the previous group didn't see. Maybe slightly more hardship than previous group...maybe the peanut buttering of success got to them. Maybe I'm just biased as my spawn is in that group. Many I have met (not just his friends) have had jobs since we (helicopter parents) allowed them to ride their bike to work at young ages. Maybe they found enjoyment in competition. Maybe a generation of parents said "enough" and started parenting. Certainly I see exceptions and worry about third generation poor parenting...how do you break THAT cycle....that takes the village. Maybe the village has started to come back.
There is an architecture trend. Porches used to be in the front. We all were social with our neighbors. We moved to the suburbs, moved our porches to the back and forgot about our neighbors. I do, actually, see more front porches than I used to.
There is an architecture trend. Porches used to be in the front. We all were social with our neighbors. We moved to the suburbs, moved our porches to the back and forgot about our neighbors. I do, actually, see more front porches than I used to.