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Where’s the Ammo!!!!!

MsMelissa

MsMelissa

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I’m seriously getting annoyed with the lack of availability in Ammo. I love to shoot on the weekends and I’m cutting back more and more because I can’t replace Ammo and when I can it’s ridiculously overpriced!! Last year there were tons of Black Friday Federal Black Pack deals and this year you have to sell your kidney to buy a 1000 rounds of 5.56! Ugh!
 
Our local GS has a 5 box/100 round limit for .223/5.56 and a 2 box/100 round limit for handgun ammo. They sell out of everything within a 2 or 3 days of getting it in. I like reloading but can't find primers anywhere!! I stopped in today and they told me they had zero idea of when they would get primers. Very frustrating!!
 
LAST YEAR, I could get Federal Black Pack for 39.99 for 250 rounds of 9mm or 150 rounds of 45 or 150 rounds of .223. And get 12.50 rebate for up to 8 boxes. NOW, I have to offer up a kidney for 20 rounds. Oh how the worm has turned. 🤦‍♀️
 
Best I've found for 9MM 115gr FMJ is $.50 a round at local shows. Have not seen it lower then that since I started this journey on the 4th of July.
LGS' are limiting to 100 rounds IF you buy/bought a gun from them.
Last week I "scored" 500 rounds of Federal FMJ 180gr .40 S&W off Grab A Gun for $.42 a round.
Crazy but there is nothing out there.
 
MsMelissa said:
I’m going to a gun show in Knoxville tomorrow to see what I find. But the price gouging is getting old.
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It really isn’t gouging.

It’s good old free-market capitalism; basic supply and demand. Last year, while there was a normal demand, the supply was plentiful—overstocked, really. I bought 5 cases of 9mm blaster (Rem/UMC) from Cabelas on a day after Christmas sale for $169/1k (.17/rd), delivered.

I’ve considered (but I’m not, considering this could go on for a while) letting some of it go now for the going rate of .50/rd...and that’s on the competitive side of pricing.

Am I gouging, or just market savvy? If I was doing this on the stock market, I’d be considered a pretty smart investor...why would this be different?
 
HansGruber said:
It really isn’t gouging.

It’s good old free-market capitalism; basic supply and demand. Last year, while there was a normal demand, the supply was plentiful—overstocked, really. I bought 5 cases of 9mm blaster (Rem/UMC) from Cabelas on a day after Christmas sale for $169/1k (.17/rd), delivered.

I’ve considered (but I’m not, considering this could go on for a while) letting some of it go now for the going rate of .50/rd...and that’s on the competitive side of pricing.

Am I gouging, or just market savvy? If I was doing this on the stock market, I’d be considered a pretty smart investor...why would this be different?
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By that logic we should all forgive Cheaper Than Dirt for being complete bastards then.
 
I've stocked up on plenty of 9mm and 5.56 when the buying was good. I have at least 3000-4000 rounds of each caliber on hand not including the other ammo types I have for different guns. I actually have over 200 12 gauge slugs on hand with about 150 00-buck because love shooting my shotguns at vertical targets as well as airborne.
 
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I bought a Ruger AR pistol the other day and they had Tula steel 20 box for $4.29. They would only sell me 10 boxes. I went back the next day with my girlfriend. Talked to the manager and she would only sell me 15 boxes had my girlfriend buy ten. Family members came to get some for themselves had some of them get me some more. After everything I ended up with 1100 rounds for $250.09 after tax.
 
adam sr said:
I bought a Ruger AR pistol the other day and they had Tula steel 20 box for $4.29. They would only sell me 10 boxes. I went back the next day with my girlfriend. Talked to the manager and she would only sell me 15 boxes had my girlfriend buy ten. Family members came to get some for themselves had some of them get me some more. After everything I ended up with 1100 rounds for $250.09 after tax.
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Now, the question is...will it run it?!?
 
Local place started manufacturing and selling 9mm and 223 ammo. I ordered 1000 rds of 9mm priced at $250. The item was back-ordered. 2 weeks later they cancelled my back order and informed me the ammo was available for $450. 80% increase in two weeks. Local farm supply store had it for .29rd with a limit of 200 rds per person. So much for supporting local.
 
BrewIt said:
Local place started manufacturing and selling 9mm and 223 ammo. I ordered 1000 rds of 9mm priced at $250. The item was back-ordered. 2 weeks later they cancelled my back order and informed me the ammo was available for $450. 80% increase in two weeks. Local farm supply store had it for .29rd with a limit of 200 rds per person. So much for supporting local.
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Man that's just dirty that a business would do that.....💩
 
My last gun show some of the guys who had tables there talked a similar situation in saying that the many ammo distributors had left the business they dealt with.

Walmart's, Meijer and several others who had provided ammo also left the market to further handicap these situations.
The stores and other's were basically bullied out of the business by our glorious do gooders succeeded in that respect.

When I visited our local Bass Pro I was shocked to see 6 yes I counted all 6 twice. They were .32acp, .327mag(2), .380, 10mm(2)
I ask the counter guy what was up with that? His comments were they were having a very hard time buying bulk and the manufacturers was not looking likely to run all out 24/7 like in the past. From what I've seen from online and stores I believe that.
 
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Federal and CCI have started selling ammo direct to customers on their website. I ordered some 9mm last month at $18.99 per 50 round box of American Eagle 115 gr. The price has since gone up to $19.99, but they offer free shipping if you order over $100. This is more than I would usually pay, but it's less than I'm seeing from other sellers when they have 9mm in stock. They seem to run out pretty frequently, and it takes two weeks for your shipment to arrive, but it is worth checking from time to time.
 
Pitdogg2 said:
My last gun show some of the guys who had tables there talked a similar situation in saying that the many ammo distributors had left the business they dealt with.

Walmart's, Meijer and several others who had provided ammo also left the market to further handicap these situations.
The stores and other's were basically bullied out of the business by our glorious do gooders succeeded in that respect.

When I visited our local Bass Pro I was shocked to see 6 yes I counted all 6 twice. They were .32acp, .327mag(2), .380, 10mm(2)
I ask the counter guy what was up with that? His comments were they were having a very hard time buying bulk and the manufacturers was not looking likely to run all out 24/7 like in the past. From what I've seen from online and stores I believe that.
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“Counter guys” rarely know what they are talking about.

I know Federal is running 24/7, and I find it hard to believe Winchester & Remington aren’t, too.
 
Folks have to remember that Covid rules of capacity and 6’ spacing applies to businesses as well and very widely depending on the State. Lots of plants and industries are only at 25% to 50% staff or less. My biz is same way. We wont let more than 25% of the staff in the building at any one time. Warehouse staff are required to be separated and wait turns to get to critical finishing equipment to keep 6’ spacing guidelines.

slows thing down tremendously
 
HansGruber said:
It really isn’t gouging.

It’s good old free-market capitalism; basic supply and demand. Last year, while there was a normal demand, the supply was plentiful—overstocked, really. I bought 5 cases of 9mm blaster (Rem/UMC) from Cabelas on a day after Christmas sale for $169/1k (.17/rd), delivered.

I’ve considered (but I’m not, considering this could go on for a while) letting some of it go now for the going rate of .50/rd...and that’s on the competitive side of pricing.

Am I gouging, or just market savvy? If I was doing this on the stock market, I’d be considered a pretty smart investor...why would this be different?
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Full agreement.

A group of four of us made a decision to invest in ammo a number of years ago. We treated it as an investment just as some invest in precious metals or paintings or real estate. We first attended government surplus auctions and bought surplus .45ACP and 7,62. Later we bought 5.56 and 9mm when it was offered. (Who can understand the government?) Then we branched out and started purchasing .22 LR. which has proven a very good idea.

This was, and is, an investment - no more, no less. While I understand the anguish of people seeking ammo and faced with higher prices, I don't understand why that makes us bad guys if we offer ammo at market prices. In addition to what we originally paid, we have transport costs, time is money costs, storage costs, etc. to add before we see a return on our money. If we had bought gold at $700 instead and sold it for over $2,000 would we be castigated the same way ammo sellers are being slurred? I doubt it.

You made a smart investment on a much more limited basis. If you choose to sell some or all of your stash I think you should consider the good being done by making ammo available that otherwise would not be there rather than listening to those who are mostly angry at themselves for not making the same decisions you made.

The thing is, this shortage is going to be a long one. The demand will remain high for at least another twelve months with even greater shortages. While highly increased demand is one reason, there is a huge bottleneck over primers. Only three US entities even make primers partly because of increased regulations; one specialty ammo manufacturer I know well has been buying Canadian made primers just to stay in business. The cost of lead, brass, and other raw materials have also been going up for several years. It is costing him twice as much to manufacture a 9mm round as it did just two years ago. Those costs have to be passed along if he is to stay in business.

Just my opinion.
 
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