Why the hate for muzzle brakes?
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HayesGreener
Ronin
I have a BOSS on my Browning Safari 7mm magnum. It is loud and I would never shoot it indoors so it is a non issue for me. That rifle is a tack driver.
I did fire M4's with muzzle compensators for training in an enclosed environment in the USAF. They were very loud, the rangemasters usually recommended dual ear protection.
I did fire M4's with muzzle compensators for training in an enclosed environment in the USAF. They were very loud, the rangemasters usually recommended dual ear protection.
HansGruber
Ronin
I, uh…
Might’ve been the guy that fired a nuclear-level hand load out of a snub-nosed .500 S&W. It had a big ol’ brake on the end.
At an indoor range.
The flash reached into both lanes on either side of me.
Ever heard a busy indoor range go instantly silent? That’ll do it.
FWIW, it was my buddy’s gun and his loads, so I didn’t exactly *know* that was going to happen; after I emptied the cylinder, I did apologize to the shooters next to me (and my buddy offered them a chance to shoot it; one took him up for a single round…)..
A little different than a brake on a rifle, though. I generally don’t shoot rifles at indoor ranges.
youngolddude
Professional
I used to use plugs and earmuffs at an outdoor public range. I could shoot for hours unless someone with a brake showed up close by.
Belt Fed
Ronin
I looked it up
The development of muzzle brakes was a gradual process over many years, but they became common on firearms and artillery pieces in the late 1930sand especially during World War II.
Muzzle brakes work by allowing pressurized gas to escape from vents along the side and top of the gun. This reduces recoil, which can improve shooter accuracy by stabilizing barrel movement. A high-quality muzzle brake can reduce felt recoil by up to 50%.
The US Army also developed a new muzzle brake in 2007 for the M240B machine gun. The goal was to reduce recoil and muzzle flash while quieting the gun. This research led to the development of dozens of prototypes and four patented technologies
The development of muzzle brakes was a gradual process over many years, but they became common on firearms and artillery pieces in the late 1930sand especially during World War II.
Muzzle brakes work by allowing pressurized gas to escape from vents along the side and top of the gun. This reduces recoil, which can improve shooter accuracy by stabilizing barrel movement. A high-quality muzzle brake can reduce felt recoil by up to 50%.
The US Army also developed a new muzzle brake in 2007 for the M240B machine gun. The goal was to reduce recoil and muzzle flash while quieting the gun. This research led to the development of dozens of prototypes and four patented technologies
This-plus there’s always some clown at a public range that will set up next to you so you get to “enjoy
” every blast from his cannon…
HansGruber
Ronin
I believe the FAL Para had a brake on it, instead of the slotted flash hider…and they were around in the 1960’s, if not earlier…
But, you really didn’t see them much on rifles until the 1990’s. I had a precision AR for a bit; 24” bull barrel, with a JP muzzle brake that looked like it should’ve been on a Tiger tank. I wanna say that was 99-2000 or so?
The cool thing was it didn’t hardly move at all when fired; you could easily see your bullet impact.
While everyone is free to buy whatever for me they are of absolutely zero value on a 5.57 or lighter rifle. A 338, 416 or maybe 50 cal Barret sure but you’re not shooting those things inside.
I also get humored by the large percentage of folks that have to have a muzzle break then talk about needing it on their home defense gun or taking part in CQB training or doing stack stuff.
Pic below as a bad example of misguided training. Not gonna go good for anyone behind the #1 person that touches off a round in a regular rifle let alone muzzle break will have an injury when skin gets ripped open just sayin.
But do whatever you want!
I also get humored by the large percentage of folks that have to have a muzzle break then talk about needing it on their home defense gun or taking part in CQB training or doing stack stuff.
Pic below as a bad example of misguided training. Not gonna go good for anyone behind the #1 person that touches off a round in a regular rifle let alone muzzle break will have an injury when skin gets ripped open just sayin.
But do whatever you want!
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HayesGreener
Ronin
But they saw that on TV.....
powerboatr
Professional
wellllll
i have a second one on my 308 ar10
when i bought it, i had the one with the holes straight out. so all the exhaust, gas etc went straight out
and beat the fire out of my older damaged shoulder
i shoot prone at the range, with a bipod,
at the hog place its can be prone, sitting at table, etc but we are elevated 6 to 10 feet off the ground.
then i i bought one from wing tactical that has reliefs facing up and reliefs out each side, but none on the bottom facing the ground
it substantially reduced the bang boom into my shoulder, i also put a limbsaver pad for a 12 ga over the Luth AR hard pad that came with my luth AR stock...oh man its nice now
50 rounds and i feel good, where as before 10 beat me like a bad dream
it also drastically reduces the HEY i want to climb six inches on the barrel after the trigger is pulled, my accuracy at 100 yards has vastly improved.
as far as folks at the range having issues??/ no body has ever said anything
but i do tend to place the barrel end a bit out past the firing line tables so most of the blast stuff does not directly impact folks to either side
i have a second one on my 308 ar10
when i bought it, i had the one with the holes straight out. so all the exhaust, gas etc went straight out
and beat the fire out of my older damaged shoulder
i shoot prone at the range, with a bipod,
at the hog place its can be prone, sitting at table, etc but we are elevated 6 to 10 feet off the ground.
then i i bought one from wing tactical that has reliefs facing up and reliefs out each side, but none on the bottom facing the ground
it substantially reduced the bang boom into my shoulder, i also put a limbsaver pad for a 12 ga over the Luth AR hard pad that came with my luth AR stock...oh man its nice now
50 rounds and i feel good, where as before 10 beat me like a bad dream
it also drastically reduces the HEY i want to climb six inches on the barrel after the trigger is pulled, my accuracy at 100 yards has vastly improved.
as far as folks at the range having issues??/ no body has ever said anything
but i do tend to place the barrel end a bit out past the firing line tables so most of the blast stuff does not directly impact folks to either side
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KillerFord1977
SAINT
It did/does on the FAL para
HansGruber
Ronin
That’s the mother(love)ing spirit!
Jester560
Custom
I have several. I out them to use after an upper back surgery and neck surgery. I simply can't take heavy recoil any more. They are great tools when used properly.
On a side note, they do not make a gun louder. They redirect the sound in the direction of the ports which are usually toward the shooter.
On a side note, they do not make a gun louder. They redirect the sound in the direction of the ports which are usually toward the shooter.
I will say from working in an indoor range teaching they do increase decibels in that environment. Owner had it tested forget the number but it was louder. We recommended inner and outer and outlets all the time but ESPECIALLY for the muzzle brake folks.
I will also add from watching a customer (lots of stories with that cat)
If one wants a break DO NOT purchase from Wish or Amazon. Get a reputable manufacturer.
This guy after messing with his rifle and having a weird recoil blast thing with diagnosing he admitted he bought from wish. It was shaving off the bullet and we were getting elongated hold because of tumbling.
His buy American and Trump 2020 shirt was disappointed!!!!
About 40 years ago I learned to handload for various reasons and later took up .44 Mag for slow-fire precision-50' when .38Spl from a long Dan Wesson became too tame to keep my interest. Using published (but decidedly hot) loads from my built Super B'Hawk with a 5.5" barrel it makes itself known indoors and I always try for an end lane or whatever gets me further from others.
On one occasion, the ejector rod housing screw worked out and the assembly departed the frame. The RO arranged a cease-fire at my request so we could search for the bits, the housing or rod not turning up anywhere, including on top of target-retrieval motors and such. About 5" long they are not easy to miss. Pretty sure a lane neighbor pocketed it to prevent my further shooting, which it did.
I wrote Ruger's excellent customer service dept. & to their credit, they sent me an entire assembly, FOC. Subsequently, Loctite 242, the "blue stuff".