Will Tariffs Spark an Ammunition Panic Buy? Probably. Here’s
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Old_Me
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well, if this does happen, i'll bet dollars to donuts, limits on how much one can buy will start too.
during the scandemic, at my LGS's, 2 boxes were the limit, then down to 1 box.......
then they hit us with, "you get to buy 1 box of ammo with a gun purchase only"......"all others go suck wind"......
and this on top of looong lines at like 6 in the morning for when they opened at 10, and posted signs in the windows before they unlocked the doors, as to what you could buy when they opened.
oh yeah..fun times here.
which in the end, for me, this works......i take 1 box of either new or reloaded ammo with me.......
i still have boxes of different calibers that i shoot, that i bought back in 2020/2021......
during the scandemic, at my LGS's, 2 boxes were the limit, then down to 1 box.......
then they hit us with, "you get to buy 1 box of ammo with a gun purchase only"......"all others go suck wind"......
and this on top of looong lines at like 6 in the morning for when they opened at 10, and posted signs in the windows before they unlocked the doors, as to what you could buy when they opened.
oh yeah..fun times here.
which in the end, for me, this works......i take 1 box of either new or reloaded ammo with me.......
i still have boxes of different calibers that i shoot, that i bought back in 2020/2021......
Onewolf426
Professional
Unfortunately, we sold out our country for cheaper goods. We have become a society of cheap, disposable products, where people don't care about the quality so much. "Oops, washer door switch broke. I have to get my hands dirty replacing it? Never mind, let's just buy another. And, we can get a matching dryer while we are at it."
And the younger generation buying homes are just as bad. Real wood trim and doors, quality windows and doors no longer matter. It is all about location, school districts, and less yard to maintain. Convenience to downtown, shopping, malls, restaurants have all become the buzzwords. Never mind the house won't last 100 years, as we will be moving on anyway. It really is sad. And then people have the audacity to complain that they aren't getting more for less money. Ridiculous. Now, the buzz word is "Manufactured in USA using Global Materials". I have spent more money on things actually manufactured here using materials from here. Jackstands especially. I learned that lesson when the set I bought from Harbor Freight about 7 years ago was recalled due to a safety issue having to do with the locking mechanism. Paid just north of $300 for a quality pair made here with American steel. No way I am dumb enough anymore to trust some foreign made crap to hold up my pickup while I am underneath it.
And the younger generation buying homes are just as bad. Real wood trim and doors, quality windows and doors no longer matter. It is all about location, school districts, and less yard to maintain. Convenience to downtown, shopping, malls, restaurants have all become the buzzwords. Never mind the house won't last 100 years, as we will be moving on anyway. It really is sad. And then people have the audacity to complain that they aren't getting more for less money. Ridiculous. Now, the buzz word is "Manufactured in USA using Global Materials". I have spent more money on things actually manufactured here using materials from here. Jackstands especially. I learned that lesson when the set I bought from Harbor Freight about 7 years ago was recalled due to a safety issue having to do with the locking mechanism. Paid just north of $300 for a quality pair made here with American steel. No way I am dumb enough anymore to trust some foreign made crap to hold up my pickup while I am underneath it.
Old_Me
SAINT
regarding the washer (or drier), we bought a Sears Kenmore washer/dryer set 30 years ago, and we still have them...yes we do.
old, manual controls, heavy duty materials.
parts were replaced under the extended warranty a time or 2.
parts were replaced with cash...when the extended warranty expired.
each repair we pay for averages around $400...
but you know what..??
for the service these machines give us, i will continue to pay out of pocket for repairs, until those cost way too much to do so.
downside is, the new crap costs are crazy, and dependability isn't anywhere near what we have been blessed with these past 30 years.
belladonna
Hellcat
The scary thing is I just pictured that in my brain. Does that make me a bad person? I feel her pain..Wife's out back at the river right now beating our dirty clothes against a rock. Then she'll hang them over the woodstove to dry.
Annihilator
Emissary
Wife's out back at the river right now beating our dirty clothes against a rock. Then she'll hang them over the woodstove to dry.
The scary thing is I just pictured that in my brain. Does that make me a bad person? I feel her pain..
Trump is talking about increasing more Pb And Cu production. A number of copper mines in S. Arizona will probably be doing more digging.The one maybe saving thing, is copper and lead have dropped in price by about 10%
Daily Metal Price: Lead Price Chart (USD / Pound) for the Last Year
Daily Metal Price: Lead Price Chart (USD / Pound) for the Last Year. Chart daily metal price movements in multiple units.www.dailymetalprice.com
last2brake
Master Class
Those domestic content numbers are steer manure on steroids, and about as malleable.
For instance, depending on the desired content figure, an engine is either one part, or hundreds of parts (rings, seals, valves, valve seats, bolts).
But people are going to believe what they want.
For instance, Toyota and Pontiac had a joint venture. They both built an identical car in the same factory in the USA (the Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe).
Americans spent $1500 MORE for the identical car, just because they could call it a Toyota and send the profit to Japan instead of keeping it here.
Never question Americans' stupidity. Especially when it comes to cars. Marketing works.
Anchorite
Operator
American businesses should be shell-shocked at this tariff plan. They now face the costly and complex task of finding domestic suppliers. The prospect of sectoral tariffs and retaliatory measures, alongside the administration’s apparent seat-of-the-pants approach to policymaking, will no doubt substantially hinder investment plans and any chance of sparking a so-called manufacturing renaissance.
And therein lies the other problem inherit in his tariff measure. If you listen to what he says, he considers factory work to be the fount of economic development, ignoring how decades of free trade have enabled America to rise up the industrial value chain and become a global leader in services and innovation.
To that end, around my neck of the woods there is no business that is going to start paying domestic workers more than what they were paying migrants. What business wants to triple its payroll?
And therein lies the other problem inherit in his tariff measure. If you listen to what he says, he considers factory work to be the fount of economic development, ignoring how decades of free trade have enabled America to rise up the industrial value chain and become a global leader in services and innovation.
To that end, around my neck of the woods there is no business that is going to start paying domestic workers more than what they were paying migrants. What business wants to triple its payroll?
The issue why is several of the small parts like chips, wires electronics are foreign made.
So why a vehicle might be assembled here in the USA a lot of parts within are imported. But some like to play lawyer ball with gotcha terms
But some folks just hear you calling their baby ugly which is not what anyone is doing!
So bottom line ain’t nobody not going to be effected wether you buy a Ford or a Fiat everything will have some percentage of increase.
Talyn
SAINT
Plus, anyone raising prices on existing inventory should be boycotted.
It seemed to me that SGAmmo implied they were going to raise prices on existing inventory in order to pay for new inventory if/when the tariffs would actually begine, which they haven't yet.
Talyn
SAINT
The problem with some of DJT and others thinking is they just assume that US production will instantly increase to compensate for lower foreign imports.
DJT wants US timber production to increase by 25%, but doesn't realize that trees don't grow to merchantable sizes overnight, contrary to what James Watt (Reagan admin) thought.
Some parts of the US can grow trees faster than others but we're still talking decades, and that many areas of Federal lands were hammered very hard back in the past then the bottom dropped out. While PNW coastal area are productive it's still 80-100 yrs, and the interior West is semi-arid, has very poor growing conditions that grow crappy unmerchantable trees, and are in remote areas that aren't economically accessible.
Canada then stepped in to compensate for that US down-turn, and cheap imports from S. America went up.
Mines don't magically appear and start prodcuing immediately, and a lot of the smelting is done elsewhere. Many former smelter sites are now or have been SuperFund sites.
Plus, a few political/media "Eastern" urban idiots have claimed that houses/towns can be built on/in remote western Federal lands to address the so-called housing shortage. There's a long history of old boom & bust ghost towns that dried up because there wasn't any economy/resources (i.e "water" = the most limiting factor in the western 1/2 of the US) to support them over the long term.
How many of these idiots will volunteer to live in the middle of no-wheresville Nevada & other similar areas in the Interior West when it's hundreds of miles to work and/or an airport?
Things that work in the urban East 1/2 of the USA don't always turn out to be viable in the Western 1/2 of the country.
My .02
DJT wants US timber production to increase by 25%, but doesn't realize that trees don't grow to merchantable sizes overnight, contrary to what James Watt (Reagan admin) thought.
Some parts of the US can grow trees faster than others but we're still talking decades, and that many areas of Federal lands were hammered very hard back in the past then the bottom dropped out. While PNW coastal area are productive it's still 80-100 yrs, and the interior West is semi-arid, has very poor growing conditions that grow crappy unmerchantable trees, and are in remote areas that aren't economically accessible.
Canada then stepped in to compensate for that US down-turn, and cheap imports from S. America went up.
Mines don't magically appear and start prodcuing immediately, and a lot of the smelting is done elsewhere. Many former smelter sites are now or have been SuperFund sites.
Plus, a few political/media "Eastern" urban idiots have claimed that houses/towns can be built on/in remote western Federal lands to address the so-called housing shortage. There's a long history of old boom & bust ghost towns that dried up because there wasn't any economy/resources (i.e "water" = the most limiting factor in the western 1/2 of the US) to support them over the long term.
How many of these idiots will volunteer to live in the middle of no-wheresville Nevada & other similar areas in the Interior West when it's hundreds of miles to work and/or an airport?
Things that work in the urban East 1/2 of the USA don't always turn out to be viable in the Western 1/2 of the country.
My .02
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Anchorite
Operator
Exactly.
For the US economy, the most immediate effects of Trump’s actions will be to raise inflation and slow economic activity. No one can ignore that or argue that this won't occur.
Breaking down the administration's position, to me, Trump’s justification hinges on a naive belief that treats trade imbalances as if they were the profit and loss account of a business, and not the culmination of highly specialized supply chains. His “reciprocal” levies amount to what I guess is his administration's back-of-the-envelope calculation?
Because it appears to me that they just take trade partners’ US trade deficit in goods as a share of imports from that country and then divide it by two. This is not a calibrated calculation. It is, however, without a doubt, a reckless repudiation of all trade agreements the US has signed, as well as a deeply flawed plan to attract foreign manufacturing investment.
Talyn
SAINT
Well this is were we disagree.
There's a difference between what I described as far as upping US production & tariffing imports.
Reciprocity is very real & foreign countries slap tarifs on US products at high percentages than we do. And there are some real BAD actors like the Chicoms. That's transparently displayed in the chart they put together. An example is the varied % that SGAmmo talks about in their emails.
Trump wants to level that out so IMO his actions amount to forcing other countries to the bargining table. He's already said he would negotiate, as have other countries. So, there is calibration.
What Trump is "naive" about is what is realistic as far as what's doable US production. IMO, he should back off on Canada. Case in point there is the "dairy" issue that may have harped upon. Yes, Canada puts a very high tariff on US dairy imports but only if those imports exceed a certain very high amount which has never been reached. Other than that Canada really doesn't tariff the US much at all, and I described provides the US with mineral & wood products that the US is tapped out on.
Folks want to blame all this on Trump but the mess we're in started along time ago way back to the Bush #1 Admin. I remember when I was much younger when Bush #1 announced the US would become a "service" economy and transition from manufacturing. Bush #1 was a BIG fan of China having spent years there in a US govt position.
George H. W. Bush: Life Before the Presidency | Miller Center
The Bush Family Affair with China
This decision has not come easily. Those were the foreboding words of Mayor Sylvester Turner of Houston, Texas, as he gathered with other city officials before
If anyone believes that's its sun-shine, butterflys & bunnys with China they are very naive, or should register as a foreign agent.
NOTE: the Bush #1 started, and the Family maintains this foundation.
Before he passed Bush #1 would get very pissed off at an critisisim of China.
Many former US politicians have become affiliated with Chinese companies.
The Untold Story of How George W. Bush Lost China
The U.S.-China relationship started veering wildly off track 15 years ago—but Washington stumbled badly in its response.
foreignpolicy.com
Bush makes little headway in China
BEIJING - President Bush was heading for home via Mongolia this morning with little to celebrate after a weeklong Asia trip that highlighted tensions with China. Bush's scheduled four-hour layover in…
www.gainesville.com
Bush #2 started the massive spending spree with the Iraq War, & the Democraps then considered that a way to establish new baselines of reckless domestic spending levels. The national debt has more than 2X since Bush #2 and the subsequent devaluation of the USD is the primary cause of inflation. In 2000 one USD is now worth .40 cents in 2025.
BTW - Clinton approved China's admission to the WTO, then the slipery slope got steeper.
My devalued .02.
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Did someone say, “buick”?
Wait. Your wife does that? My wife told me that was my job. Damn.Wife's out back at the river right now beating our dirty clothes against a rock. Then she'll hang them over the woodstove to dry.
Anchorite
Operator
We might be closer than we think ….Well this is were we disagree.
There's a difference between what I described as far as upping US production & tariffing imports.
Reciprocity is very real & foreign countries slap tarifs on US products at high percentages than we do. And there are some real BAD actors like the Chicoms. That's transparently displayed in the chart they put together. An example is the varied % that SGAmmo talks about in their emails.
Trump wants to level that out so IMO his actions amount to forcing other countries to the bargining table. He's already said he would negotiate, as have other countries. So, there is calibration.
What Trump is "naive" about is what is realistic as far as what's doable US production. IMO, he should back off on Canada. Case in point there is the "dairy" issue that may have harped upon. Yes, Canada puts a very high tariff on US dairy imports but only if those imports exceed a certain very high amount which has never been reached. Other than that Canada really doesn't tariff the US much at all, and I described provides the US with mineral & wood products that the US is tapped out on.
Folks want to blame all this on Trump but the mess we're in started along time ago way back to the Bush #1 Admin. I remember when I was much younger when Bush #1 announced the US would become a "service" economy and transition from manufacturing. Bush #1 was a BIG fan of China having spent years there in a US govt position.
George H. W. Bush: Life Before the Presidency | Miller Center
millercenter.org
The Bush Family Affair with China
This decision has not come easily. Those were the foreboding words of Mayor Sylvester Turner of Houston, Texas, as he gathered with other city officials beforewww.theamericanconservative.com
If anyone believes that's its sun-shine, butterflys & bunnys with China they are very naive, or should register as a foreign agent.
NOTE: the Bush #1 started, and the Family maintains this foundation.
Before he passed Bush #1 would get very pissed off at an critisisim of China.
Many former US politicians have become affiliated with Chinese companies.
The Untold Story of How George W. Bush Lost China
The U.S.-China relationship started veering wildly off track 15 years ago—but Washington stumbled badly in its response.
Bush makes little headway in China
BEIJING - President Bush was heading for home via Mongolia this morning with little to celebrate after a weeklong Asia trip that highlighted tensions with China. Bush's scheduled four-hour layover in…www.gainesville.com
Bush #2 started the massive spending spree with the Iraq War, & the Democraps then considered that a way to establish new baselines of reckless domestic spending levels. The national debt has more than 2X since Bush #2 and the subsequent devaluation of the USD is the primary cause of inflation. In 2000 one USD is now worth .40 cents in 2025.
BTW - Clinton approved China's admission to the WTO, then the slipery slope got steeper.
My devalued .02.
I do agree this was “set in motion” long before trump, so the fact is time will tell as to the effect of these policy moves.
Finally, I am not sure I see these tariffs as an effective negotiation tool either.
Mr.W.
Professional
Time shall tell. . .
last2brake
Master Class
If you want the moon, ask for Mars.
Then they'll be happy to settle for the moon.
Then they'll be happy to settle for the moon.