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Will You Be Able to Shoot in Time to Stop an Attack?

Pointblank said:
I'm a retired LEO with 32 years of service. I've posted this on forums before. In the upper half of this country we wear jackets or coats at least half the year. It's nice to carry something like a Glock 19 or your choice of a high-capacity semi-automatic pistols. The problem is getting to it in time, having to move or lift a jacket or sweatshirt or both out of the way first. My solution, (if it's legal in your jurisdiction), is to carry semi-auto in or on my belt plus a small, light-weight, snub-nose revolver in my coat pocket. Five rounds of "get off me", followed by getting out of Dodge, taking cover, and getting the big gun out.

PS

If you want to snag your pistol drawing in an emergency try adding a red dot on top.
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No limits here in Washington state, and I like your suggestion of the two guns. My Browning and a Sig P365 would work for me, but as I said in my post, I am not that much concerned in a quck draw scemaro, I just want to be able to have a chance. As a former LEO, I can understand your concern making a fast response, but at my age (74) and no experience such as yours, I'm staying with my thinking as stated in the post.
 
DesertSamurai said:
Agree with almost everything here..except. As a civilian, there is no need to carry LTL on your person for any reason.
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No. You want to solve the problem at the lowest level of force possible. It's been my experience that crackheads don't really believe you'll shoot them. They absolutely believe you'll spray them
DesertSamurai said:
Civ is not held to any same standard as LEO.
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LEO are Civilians. That's why they call them the CIVIL AUTHORITIES.
 
Situation awareness can give one extra time to retain and/or improve distance from a potential threat, and exfil from a hostile situation or environment, before an attack can occur.

Plus, don't go into places (day or night) you shouldn't be anyhow.

My .02
 
DDTM said:
As for accessing said blaster, I approach having a gun with me as something to resort to in a situation that develops due to trouble involving something akin to a psycho in a mall or the like. I don't frequent areas depicted at the start of this article. The closest I come to getting jumped by some skell is in a parking lot, so I stay away from Walmart when it gets dark. Yep, times have changed, and my approach to the changing times is to change with them as best I can.
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Situational awareness changes when I am carrying.
I see a group of people and/or cars in an area and some shouting or two people squaring off in a parking lot road raging cuz one stole the others parking space or the myriad of other daily tiffs angry people just can't seem to avoid used to attract me, curious to see what was going on. Most of the time I see or hear those things happening or developing when carrying and I give it as wide a berth as possible, don't want to be that hapless individual that is in wrong place at the right time and gets sucked into someone elses issue. I also avoid sketchy areas of town and dark parking lots, lastly, when out and about with others at night, I always retrieve the car and pick them up at the door of the establishment.
 
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Hi,

Yes, good article with lots of stuff to think about. I've been training regularly, drawing from my AIWB, shoot/no-shoot scenarios, different layers of clothing, movement, and I like to think I have pretty good situational awareness. Once I decide to use my firearm I can get it into play and get that first shot off in under two seconds.

The rub I have is "How long will it take for me to decide to draw?" I have another cognitive defensive training clinic at the end of the month but it's always different under controlled conditions. Let's hope and pray our training carries us through to make the right decisions and use proper procedures.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
BassCliff said:
Hi,

Yes, good article with lots of stuff to think about. I've been training regularly, drawing from my AIWB, shoot/no-shoot scenarios, different layers of clothing, movement, and I like to think I have pretty good situational awareness. Once I decide to use my firearm I can get it into play and get that first shot off in under two seconds.

The rub I have is "How long will it take for me to decide to draw?" I have another cognitive defensive training clinic at the end of the month but it's always different under controlled conditions. Let's hope and pray our training carries us through to make the right decisions and use proper procedures.


Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
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That's the hardest and most important part Cliff. Making up your mind. You have a split second to do it and once you decide to do it you best get to it. It helps if you're already misanthropic and completely and thoroughly educated on your local self defense laws.
 
HansGruber said:
This is one of the reasons I really like pocket carrying a J-frame.

You put your hand in your pocket, and you’re ready to draw…without it being obvious.

Works better in the winter with a coat, but I’ve done it while wearing cargo shorts and a t-shirt…
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dweebs I work with don't understand this. I walk in an urban area in the winter. I'm not carrying IWB with a zippered coat on. OWB can be risky if you go inside and your coat flies open.
 
HansGruber said:
This is one of the reasons I really like pocket carrying a J-frame.

You put your hand in your pocket, and you’re ready to draw…without it being obvious.

Works better in the winter with a coat, but I’ve done it while wearing cargo shorts and a t-shirt…
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I agree, Hans. One could even carry s Sig 365 or similar if more capacity would make you more comfortable. Personally, though, I prefer the J frame.
 
Regardless of weather I wear a belt, suspenders and OWB holster. Also wear a tucked in t-shirt and untucked outer unbuttoned shirt for concealment. My range doesn't allow draws from holsters unless in a controlled match. I do practice drawing and dry firing at home. My goal is to draw and fire within two seconds. Have to admit it's challenging. I live in South Texas, summers are very hot and humid, winters are usually mild. I train with a iron sighted Dan Wesson 1911 45 acp commander or a S&W M&P 9mm with Trijicon RMR red dot. I recently purchased a Springfield Echelon with a Trijicon SRO red dot. So far I really like the Echelon but need more range time before possibly making a switch.
 
rcurtner said:
Regardless of weather I wear a belt, suspenders and OWB holster. Also wear a tucked in t-shirt and untucked outer unbuttoned shirt for concealment. My range doesn't allow draws from holsters unless in a controlled match. I do practice drawing and dry firing at home. My goal is to draw and fire within two seconds. Have to admit it's challenging. I live in South Texas, summers are very hot and humid, winters are usually mild. I train with a iron sighted Dan Wesson 1911 45 acp commander or a S&W M&P 9mm with Trijicon RMR red dot. I recently purchased a Springfield Echelon with a Trijicon SRO red dot. So far I really like the Echelon but need more range time before possibly making a switch.
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I recently, very recently switched to a dot on a carry gun. You are wise to train with the gun for awhile before carrying it. It took me about 10 range trips ( I can draw from holsters, shoot up milk jugs and pretty well do whatever I want at the club I belong to) to get really comfortable and fast. My times are significantly faster with the dot than they were with irons. After several range trips it was like a light went off.

Anyway, not specific to a handgun from draw alone, but during transition drills ( AR and sidearm) which my best times previously were in the 23 second range, last Tuesday I logged a stream at 17.33 with zero misses and all my times were pretty much under 20 seconds.
 
You're lucky to have a range that allows you to properly train. Although dry fire training is good it cannot replace live fire with more stress and actual results. I'm still on the hunt to find another place to train. Thanks for your reply.
 
rcurtner said:
You're lucky to have a range that allows you to properly train. Although dry fire training is good it cannot replace live fire with more stress and actual results. I'm still on the hunt to find another place to train. Thanks for your reply.
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It's a hunting club with 10 or 11 ranges. All outdoors, no range masters or anything like that. No electronic targets. I bury pipes in concrete and weld slightly smaller pipes on the bottoms of target stands I build out of c channel and 1/2" rebar. Not that it was my idea, I just took over for the guy who used to weld them all back together. They also breed and train Brittany Spaniels and raise quail, pheasant and chukkar.

I do practice my draw pretty much daily, but I rarely if ever dry fire. I do go through ridiculous amounts of ammo though.
 
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