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XDm 9mm 35-rd mag initial report

Talyn

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Got mine today.

Quality mag. Black finish is nice & smooth. The mag has two reinforcement indents the full-length on both sides.

The mag sticks 4" below the bottom of my XDm 5.25 Competition (non-Elite).

Locks in solid & has no side-side movement so it's made exact to fit the magazine channel.

Over insertion movement ls limited to 1/16" upward likely due to the follower/spring being compressed. So no wishy washy wiggle room. Otherwise it locks in securely with normal insertion.

It ejects fine w/o cartridges, so mag changes should not be an issue.

Nice to have some extra capacity beyond the "normal" 19-22 rd magazine capacities for those XD/XDm/XDm-Es that this will fit.

My .02.
 
I have had these type mags for my Glock, personally don’t see the big deal with them
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Got mine today.

Quality mag. Black finish is nice & smooth. The mag has two reinforcement indents the full-length on both sides.

The mag sticks 4" below the bottom of my XDm 5.25 Competition (non-Elite).

Locks in solid & has no side-side movement so it's made exact to fit the magazine channel.

Over insertion movement ls limited to 1/16" upward likely due to the follower/spring being compressed. So no wishy washy wiggle room. Otherwise it locks in securely with normal insertion.

It ejects fine w/o cartridges, so mag changes should not be an issue.

Nice to have some extra capacity beyond the "normal" 19-22 rd magazine capacities for those XD/XDm/XDm-Es that this will fit.

My .02.

Thanks for the info Talyn, sounds good. Still waiting on delivery here.
 
Thanks for the info Talyn, sounds good. Still waiting on delivery here.

Had delivery of 35 round mag, Talyn's report and findings is spot on. Had 1 FTF and that was all, the rest worked fine afterwards. The 4" overhang looks a bit longer than it is, but is also spot on. Mag looks well made, slides up and out easy enough with firm click on the XDm 5.25 9mm. A bit more than 1/2 box of ammo is a little weighty, but not bad. Who was that that said "Can load it on Sunday and shoot all week?" Guessing SA got it up to over a long month now? :)
 
Had delivery of 35 round mag, Talyn's report and findings is spot on. Had 1 FTF and that was all, the rest worked fine afterwards. The 4" overhang looks a bit longer than it is, but is also spot on. Mag looks well made, slides up and out easy enough with firm click on the XDm 5.25 9mm. A bit more than 1/2 box of ammo is a little weighty, but not bad. Who was that that said "Can load it on Sunday and shoot all week?" Guessing SA got it up to over a long month now? :)
With a -1 could solve it?
 
Being compressed by the bottom of the slide, with the slide fully forward.

You can feel the spring tension in the 1/16" movement.

Slide closed/forward with the gun in-battery, that isn't an issue: it's the slide-lock reload -if there is over-insertion- that can potentially cause problems with the ejector, if the top cartridge and/or the magazine body impacts with too much force, as I noted in the other thread (https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum...nd-extended-magazine.10037/page-2#post-131897).
 
Slide closed/forward with the gun in-battery, that isn't an issue: it's the slide-lock reload -if there is over-insertion- that can potentially cause problems with the ejector, if the top cartridge and/or the magazine body impacts with too much force, as I noted in the other thread (https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum...nd-extended-magazine.10037/page-2#post-131897).

Guessing it may be an issue later on with an extended mag that has the dimpling instead of a mag sleeve over time because of the dimpling possibly wearing down after repeated or hard use? There's that possible electrical tape remedy?

Didn't mention before, but slide does lock back when mag's empty on the 35 rnd mags too. Not a deal breaker one way or the other, but is nice feature. If counting fired rounds, just have another person standing close by continue on their fingers and toes too? Yah, my mom said I had a problem.... :)
 
Guessing it may be an issue later on with an extended mag that has the dimpling instead of a mag sleeve over time because of the dimpling possibly wearing down after repeated or hard use? There's that possible electrical tape remedy?

I thought the side dimples were crimped towards the inside of the mag, for more body strength, like the factory XDm magazines?
 
There's the same amount of movement with thew 35-rd mag inserted and the slide locked back, which is also the dame as a standard capacity Xdm 19 rd mag.

There is no contact with the ejector with either mag.

With the mag release pushed in there is no change in how far either mag goes into the frame and both don;t contact the ejector when the mag releae remains pushed in and the mag pushed up.

The mag body of the 35rd mag is identical (same vert creases in the mag body) to the 19-rd mag with the exception of the extended length, different base-pad & non-coated mag body.

In 4 yrs of using the 19 & +3 Arredondo extension in IPSC matches I've never had an over-insertion issue, and don;t expect any issues with the new 35.

I'm sure HS Produkt knew what they were doing when they designed the mag for SAs' 9mm XD/XDm?XD-E lines.

If some(one) want to beat a dead-horse about a theoretical over-insertion issue maybe they should start their own threads about the subject.

My .02
 
I thought the side dimples were crimped towards the inside of the mag, for more body strength, like the factory XDm magazines?


Guessing I should've clarified fit and type better? Likely should have. Some extended mags have small round outward facing dimples on mags sides to keep mag from over insertion, common on some 1911 extended mags. some extended mags have mag sleeves, like Hellcats 15 rnd mags do. XDm Elite 35 rnd extended mags are different, there's no outward dimpling for a mag stop. there's the lengthwise inwards creasing spoken of for rigidity like normal XDm mags. The rigidity creases/guides are present there on the longer 35 rnd mag as well.

The new SA 35 rnd mags seat without the small round outwards dimpling like the 1911's extended mags or mag sleeve like the Hellcats extended mags, missing the ejector that falls within mag lips w/o ammo. There's a tiny bit of play in both and doesn't seem to be an issue right now. With ammo, it may be an issue if mag is really slammed into magwell hard by someone or something like tabletop abuse if using HG as a hammer, but under normal use or circumstances it shouldn't be one from what seen when rechecked. The normal wrap or tap of the mag by a palm or leg into the magwell shouldn't be an issue either. They're new here and is 1st impression. Hope that description helps you out better?
 
^ That description does help - thank you, @BobM .

If some(one) want to beat a dead-horse about a theoretical over-insertion issue maybe they should start their own threads about the subject.

You asked me in the other thread to provide proof - and I did.

I've used my XDms for now over 11 years -including two Compacts- and have yet to have suffered an over-insertion related issue with any of their ejectors. But could they? Definitely.

It is not a dead horse. It's simply fact.

Those who know me here and in the community at-large know and have seen that I actually use my XDms in sometimes harsh manner, with true round-counts - my old posts both in this community as well as on XD Talk -the latter since November of 2010- should clearly demonstrate that I am not troll (or that if I am, I'm *_really_* taking the long-game to the extreme! :ROFLMAO: 😅, but honestly, I'm -NOT- here to troll, and if anyone wants proof, I think this post says it all - https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum...nd-extended-magazine.10037/page-2#post-131897 ). I'm not making a mountain out of a mole hill: I'm simply looking at this concern in an objective manner.

Again, it's not the base-pad that's the issue. The inherent problem is that the XDm lacks a positive over-insertion stop other than the frame (specifically the bottom of the grip) of the gun itself, which means that any longer-than-frame magazine will, without some kind of interfering item such as the OE X-Tensions, cause the ejector to accrue damage over time in a known manner, with the potential for damage proportional to the forces it encounters upon such instances.

This type of damage isn't necessarily incurred upon just one Herculean over-insertion effort or if the user decides for whatever reason to use the magazine base-pad as a hammer while the slide is either locked open or removed from the gun - in the vast majority of cases, the damage occurs over time in a less-than-dramatic fashion. Similarly, typically, a damaged ejector also will not necessarily manifest in a gun that is instantly inoperative.

As a true end-user of this platform for serious purposes - for home-defense and self-defense: and to train as-such - it behooves me to understand and acknowledge any potential shortcomings or compromises that may be present, and to examine these issues in an honest and logical manner. As @BobM noted, if over-insertion is a concern, simply wrapping the magazine body with a few layers of electrical- or duct-tape (or perhaps even JB-Weld'ing or otherwise tacking on a small flange as a stop that can interfere with the base of the grip) can suffice as a field-expedient, and even potentially permanent, solution. Similarly, it's also possible that a stack of X-Tensions can be used to take up the intervening space, although the aesthetics may be less than pleasing to some.

Once my 35 rounders arrive, I will try to take a few pictures to better explain what over-insertion does, with my XDms, whether or not the 35-rounders present an actual issue. :)

What's interesting to me is that @Talyn noted that there's no further upward displacement on the mag, with the 35-rounders....so maybe there's something that I'm missing that I'm just not seeing via the posts so-far. *_All_* of the standard-capacity 19-rounders that I own (both of the old notched as well as modern square magazine spring, and for those who missed how many I own - https://www.xdtalk.com/threads/bass...ncho-magnum-range-8-6-21.452549/#post-7981700 ;) I again reiterate that I am serious about this platform :) ), upon insertion into both of my full-size XDm9s (standard/legacy version, one with NRA crest, of of the revised slide serration cuts) *_will_* show top-cartridge contact with (and that actually physically moves) the ejector.

Maybe there's some tolerance issues at-play?

None of my XDms have taken nearly the same ejector damage that's shown on XD Talk's troubleshooting threads, however, even at their age and mileage.
 
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My three SA 35-rounders for the XDm arrived today.

As noted by the OP and also The Armory Life's article (https://www.thearmorylife.com/review-xd-m-9mm-35-round-extended-magazine/, with Forum discussion - https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/review-xd-m-9mm-35-round-extended-magazine.10037/), these are, in-essence, simply a much longer-bodied Xdm magazine (with a different base-pad) and with, of-course, a black body (subjectively, it's a *_very_* attractive, "rich-feeling" finish).

As with the 19 and 22-round XDm magazines, the 35-round magazines do not feature an integral over-travel stop.

As a result, contact with the ejector is made in a similar manner to every instance of the XDms where the magazine body is longer than the grip frame height. Over-insertion damage (be it cumulative or singular) to the ejector thus remains a possibility, as there the frame cannot physically abut the base-pad of the magazine to stop/limit its upward travel in a slide-lock reload.

I can't get a good enough picture with my old (first generation iPhone SE 😅 ), so I'm charging up my old camera to see if I can get some clearer images, for those who wish to better understand this concern. More in the coming days. :)
 
Had delivery of 35 round mag, Talyn's report and findings is spot on. Had 1 FTF and that was all, the rest worked fine afterwards. The 4" overhang looks a bit longer than it is, but is also spot on. Mag looks well made, slides up and out easy enough with firm click on the XDm 5.25 9mm. A bit more than 1/2 box of ammo is a little weighty, but not bad. Who was that that said "Can load it on Sunday and shoot all week?" Guessing SA got it up to over a long month now? :)
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As with the 19 and 22-round XDm magazines, the 35-round magazines do not feature an integral over-travel stop.

As a result, contact with the ejector is made in a similar manner to every instance of the XDms where the magazine body is longer than the grip frame height. Over-insertion damage (be it cumulative or singular) to the ejector thus remains a possibility, as there the frame cannot physically abut the base-pad of the magazine to stop/limit its upward travel in a slide-lock reload.

I can't get a good enough picture with my old (first generation iPhone SE 😅 ), so I'm charging up my old camera to see if I can get some clearer images, for those who wish to better understand this concern. More in the coming days. :)

Some pictures to illustrate -

First, this is my EDC 3.8 Compact, purchased new in January, 2011. Current round-count is ~13,000 live-fire. It double-timed as a training-gun through to October of that year, when I purchased a second XDm9 3.8 Compact to serve as a dedicated training gun.

EDC38C ejector close.jpg


The visible defect appearing as an "A" engraved into the ejector is actually just a speck of oil. I did not clean any of my weapons for these pictures outside of what state I normally keep them in and their normal cleaning/lubrication cycle, so please forgive how awful they may look. Noted in this photo is an aftermarket (Springer Precision) trigger bar and aftermarket (also Springer Precision) slide-stop/release.

Below is that 3.8 Compact training gun, purchased new in October of 2011. This gun is now at around 25,000 rounds live-fire. As I've written in other threads (https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/xdm-3-8-compact.105/#post-2758), I purchased this gun specifically so that any hard wear that comes from training will no longer be accrued on my EDC. Here's how this gun's ejector looks -

Train38C ejector close.jpg


^ That defect on the bottom-facing edge of the ejector is a real defect. It's a "gouge" that's deep enough to catch my fingernail. Aftermarket components mirror that of the EDC copy.

With the XDm, we do not have an integral magazine overtravel stop as does, for example, a double-stack Glock. Instead, it is the grip frame of the gun itself that stops the magazine from excessive upward travel upon insertion on an open slide (again, on a closed slide, this is not an issue).

This can be seen in the following series of photographs. My apologies for their quality - or rather, lack thereof - I didn't think to pull the tripod from its storage with my spotting scope....in-retrospect, it would have made for much better pictures.

Train38C ejector insert nominal no cart.jpg
Train38C ejector insert nominal gap L.jpg
Train38C ejector insert nominal gap R.jpg


You can see from the defect on the ejector that the pictures above were all taken using that training 3.8 Compact.

With particularly the picture without the dummy cartridge and the one with the dummy pointing right, you can easily see that there's a sizable and easily visualized gap between the cartridge/case and the ejector. This gap exists as the magazine sits in the magwell in a "nominal" fashion, without any pressure exerted "up" from the bottom of the magazine towards the top. With just one single A-Zoom dummy in the magazine, there's insufficient weight in the mag to pull it down towards the ground, but trust me, if you insert a full magazine into the magwell and let it come to rest afterwards, it will settle into this position. The case does not contact the ejector.

With the picture that has the dummy round pointing left, because of the camera angle, this is not as apparent. Trust me, however, when I say that the gap remains. I selected this picture intentionally, however, as you can see instead how the rim of the cartridge aligns with the defect in the ejector. More on this in the next set of pictures.

Train38C ejector insert contact L.jpg
Train38C ejector insert contact L2.jpg
Train38C ejector insert contact R.jpg


^ The three pictures above shows what it looks like as a longer-than-frame XDm magazine is inserted with a bit more force. No, not "excessive" force ;) - if you have a truncated-frame XD or Xdm like the XD-SC or "Compact" variants of the XDm, you can easily prove this to yourself by stripping off the slide and performing your usual reloads. This kind of contact between the top cartridge of the stack -and even the magazine itself- versus the ejector can easily come about under the forces of a typical and routine reload.

This occurs when the magazine body is longer than the grip frame of the XD/XDm simply because there is no integral magazine stop for this weapon aside from the length of the grip frame. This is why use of the factory X-Tension on the truncated-frame guns, when full-length magazines are used, is so important.

And no, there's no difference with the slide on.....

Train45 ejector insert push contact in gun 35.jpg
Train45 ejector insert push contact in gun-2 35.jpg


^ These two pictures are taken with the slide on the gun. The top of the cartridge is making contact with the ejector in a manner that's the same with all the other pictures shown and to-be-shown, below.

Now, going to my training/range-use 4.5-inch, full-size Xdm (9mm model, purchased second-hand from a trusted member in the online firearms enthusiast community with a reported 300 rounds fired), which is currently somewhere north o 50,000 rounds fired (please see next post due to attachment size limit)......
 
[ Again, my apologies for the quality of these pictures...... ]


Train45 ejector close.jpg


Excellent shape for how extensively it's been used. Again, aftermarket modifications are similar ("specs" on the trigger bar are actually brass from previous range sessions).
Train45 ejector insert nominal gap L2.jpg
Train45 ejector insert nominal gap L.jpg
Train45 ejector insert nominal gap R.jpg


This is with the factory 19-round standard-capacity magazines inserted and seated/latched. Again, the nominal gaps are easily visible.

Without the ability to further push "up" into the gun as the magazine base-pads now physically abut the bottom of the grip frame, over-travel is limited. However, again with normal insertion force on reloads, a small amount of contact remains possible, as the pictures below demonstrate.

Train45 ejector insert push contact L.jpg
Train45 ejector insert push contact R.jpg


But really, is this that much of a concern, given the mileage accrued in this gun alone and the condition of the ejector?

I'd say no, that small bit of over-travel really is not.

For a gun that's seen well over 10 years of harsh training-use/abuse and 50K live-fire (with who knows how many more in dry-fire reload practice), I'd say that it's a non-issue, as far as I'm concerned.

But hark back to my training 3.8 Compact I showed you above, and you'll see why I've asked so many questions about the overtravel issue with these new 35-round mags.....

As with the above, is a representative picture of one of my three 35-rounders, and this is in that 3.8 Compact.

Train38C ejector insert nominal no cart 35.jpg
Train38C ejector insert nominal gap L2 35.jpg
Train38C ejector insert nominal gap R 35.jpg


Without pushing on the base of the mag, it's very clear that the nominal gap is preserved.

However, as with the 19-round magazine, as soon as there's some upward pressure, you can see that the top cartridge and/or the magazine itself can make contact - in exactly the same way that the 19-round magazines do....

Train38 ejector insert push contact R 35.jpg


[ continued in next post below, again due to attachment limits ]
 
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