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Americans Last vs America First

Stand up for the flag, get left behind like Paul Whelan
Kneel for the flag, and it's "let's go Britney"...

The United States deserves better. The People deserve better. We deserve more than just footing the bill and the abuse.
 
She wasn't a "smuggler." But she was absolutely stupid in carrying what she did into Russia.

As far as the Russians were concerned, she was a golden bargaining chip that fell into their lap and a trumped-up charge was all it took to seal the deal. They've been wanting to get Bout back for some time, and they absolutely got the upper hand in this deal.
 
Hammer67 said:
She wasn't a "smuggler." But she was absolutely stupid in carrying what she did into Russia.

As far as the Russians were concerned, she was a golden bargaining chip that fell into their lap and a trumped-up charge was all it took to seal the deal. They've been wanting to get Bout back for some time, and they absolutely got the upper hand in this deal.
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www.newsweek.com

Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 Years in Russian Prison for Drug Smuggling

The WNBA basketball star was also fined 1 million rubles (approximately $16,300) by the Russian court.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
 
I object to Griner being described as wrongly held, falsely imprisoned and the like. She was caught with drugs, convicted and incarcerated. This was not someone who was innocent and should not be portrayed that way. I don't know about Whelan, but he is/was a Marine and has been held for years. I heard we had a choice between him and Griner. If we needed/wanted to make a deal, it seems we made the wrong choice.
 
youngolddude said:
I object to Griner being described as wrongly held, falsely imprisoned and the like. She was caught with drugs, convicted and incarcerated. This was not someone who was innocent and should not be portrayed that way. I don't know about Whelan, but he is/was a Marine and has been held for years. I heard we had a choice between him and Griner. If we needed/wanted to make a deal, it seems we made the wrong choice.
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Absolutely.
 
Hammer67 said:
She wasn't a "smuggler." But she was absolutely stupid in carrying what she did into Russia.

As far as the Russians were concerned, she was a golden bargaining chip that fell into their lap and a trumped-up charge was all it took to seal the deal. They've been wanting to get Bout back for some time, and they absolutely got the upper hand in this deal.
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And we are more than ever before the laughing stock of the world.

They had a high level Biden cronie on the news this morning saying we had no choice, it was a one for one swap and we chose BG over Whelan.

by making this choice our government told the American people that a female basketball player that disrespected the flag and stated at one time how she hated America that she is more important than a decorated
Marine/veteran

How disgusting.
 
Wirenut said:
www.newsweek.com

Brittney Griner Sentenced to 9 Years in Russian Prison for Drug Smuggling

The WNBA basketball star was also fined 1 million rubles (approximately $16,300) by the Russian court.
www.newsweek.com www.newsweek.com
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I'm well aware of what she was charged with, and I'm by no means suggesting that she was "falsely imprisoned" or innocent. She was absolutely stupid for taking what she did into Russia, and she should have known there would be consequences. I have zero sympathy for her. But three vape cartridges that had cannabis oil is hardly "smuggling" in any real sense of the word - it's trumped up hyperbole. "Posession of an illegal substance" would be a lot more accurate. They exaggerated the charge to use her as a bargaining chip.
 
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A couple things I've read here that I've read contrary assertions in other places. First, any law in our country regarding the transport of drugs is non-valid in other countries. In other words the small amount of cannabis oil she was or wasn't carrying (apparently in her vape implements) is considered in violation of law in Russia. She was in Russia, the Russian laws apply there, even to Americans. Too many times we Americans don't realize we are pretty lucky to live where we do and enjoy the freedoms we have here.

I've also read where she refused to stand for the national anthem and requested it not be played before any game involving her team for the coming season. As bad as I hate that mind set, and as wrong as I think she is in her feeling toward this country, it's her right to take that stand and should not be used in any way as a 'hold over her head'.

And secondly, I've read that Mr Paul Whelan is not a decorated marine. He in fact was given a dishonorable discharge for felony theft. So if that's true, not only is he not decorated, but is a convicted felon as well.

Now, does that mean anything relative to the misguided events of getting Brittany Griner home free and leaving Mr Whelan in Russia ...... I don't think so. What I do think is that it should have been either both or neither of them. I'm under the impression there was not a choice offered, according to the white house press briefing, only a choice of trading Brittany for Bout or nothing, but I don't believe that. If there is negotiations going on, anything and everything is on the table until one side concedes. Our side conceded!!!

If that were truly the only choice offered, then the answer should have been 'we'll keep Bout' until you see a way to release both Americans together. When I heard Karrine Jean-Pierre say "well, we got one American home, wasn't that better than no American, I threw up a little bit in my mouth. Hell yes it was better than NO American, but that wasn't the relevant question. Our negotiating team on this event was apparently no better than the one who gave up 5 notorious Taliban fighters/leaders for Bowe Burgdahl. Just another event of America settling for the short end of the stick.

And finally, if I'm acting under a misinformed or misguided impression of either Brittany Griner or Mr Whelan, I whole heartedly apologize. They are still both Americans and should be considered Americans. They should have both been brought home together or neither should have been in my opinion. Obviously Ms(?) Griner wasn't strong enough to take that stand herself and chose to come home leaving another American behind. I'm willing to bet Mr Whelan would have made a very different choice had he been given it.

Just a lot to ponder y'all!
 
javbike said:
I don’t agree with you she is not an American if she chooses to not stand for the flag they should left her ass there to riot
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I can understand your feelings even if not your assertion. She was born an American citizen even though she may be an ass about it. The 14th amendment makes that so for her, as well as many others who should not be made citizens based simply on birth. The privilege of citizenship in this country should have to be earned in some fashion. Just a quick look at our southern border right now will surely show there's no other country anywhere in the world where more outsiders want to be.

I feel the same as you do about her, towards the entertainers who are supposed to sing the national anthem at sporting events and sing it the way they want to sing it, typically A F'd U. ....... they should either sing it as it was written or don't sing at all. I know, I know, they claim it's 'their rendition/version'. I say BS to that. Their rendition would be 'them' singing it the way it was written.
 
I am proud, very proud, to be a citizen of the United States of America. I have spent my life here and realize the sacrifices many have made to make that possible, all the way back to the founders. It hurts me deeply when people behave like Ms. Griner and many other athletes. I blame our educational system that has failed to teach folks like her what it means to be an American. So, it is very easy for them to be used as pawns in a game they just don't understand. Sad.
 
somorris said:
I am proud, very proud, to be a citizen of the United States of America. I have spent my life here and realize the sacrifices many have made to make that possible, all the way back to the founders. It hurts me deeply when people behave like Ms. Griner and many other athletes. I blame our educational system that has failed to teach folks like her what it means to be an American. So, it is very easy for them to be used as pawns in a game they just don't understand. Sad.
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That pretty much describes the situation we find ourselves in today. It's sad, sad, sad what ideology the last few generations of kids have developed ..... or been taught.
 
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