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Picked up the Echelon 4.0 the other day. I ran 110 rounds thru it yesterday and it ran flawlessly. This is Echelon #4 for me.

I was interested in the Nocturne but I've seen mixed reviews on it. Some run fine and some can't get thru a mag without misfeeding. I think I'll wait until they've been out a while before picking one up.

Is that a Gluger, or a Glocker? That's what we need is another Glock clone.

No problem, I was wondering the same thing and I've been watching lots of reviews on the new compact. I plan on getting a compact once my budget comes back around.

There are guntubers that have already tried the mag compatibility, and they work just fine. But just like the PDP, you have to watch out not to slam the longer mags home or they will not feed properly. You should use a mag extension if you're going to use the longer mags. And yes, the COG will...

I'll be picking one up. And mag over-insertion is not only an Echelon issue, but PDP's, Caniks and some other poly guns also have issues when inserting a longer mag with no base pad to stop it. Not that big of a deal, just don't slam the mag home.

A laser is an alternative to an optic, and it would be way easier to install.

Are going to use a dovetail mount or have the slide milled? I would personally recommend going with a RMS footprint optic. That footprint includes many of the micro dots that will make concealing much easier. I prefer the Holosun 507K v2 green dot. I have this on a few of my carry guns and it's...

Hopefully it'll run better than their double stack Witness 2011.

I only use Speer Gold Dots and Federal HST 124gr in all of my edc carries including my 1911's.

Well, I hope Daniel Def. did something to improve that awkward/awful trigger. I was not impressed either time I shot it.

Not really, I run mostly standard 115gr ammo thru my Caniks and I've never had any issues. I also have thousands of rounds thru them.

It really reminds me of a Shield Plus.. The reviews I've seen of it so far are very good, but there's so many good choices out these days that are cheaper price-wise and perform just as well. I'm sure the HK group will be happy.

Target ammo can be finicky when it comes to accuracy. I would buy a quality self defense ammo in 124gr and bench rest test the gun. Then make adjustments to the sights if necessary.

What are the handgun restrictions? The Echelon should be compliant already if the only restrictions are mag capacity.

My edc is my ODG Echelon, carried all day, everyday.

Too old and too broken to fight, it's not the years, it's the mileage.. One more reason I carry for self defense.

You went to the range, shot and had fun. That's more than most people can say. I honestly shoot about the same with the irons as I do the optic, and I find the optic bulkier to carry. So, I just shoot with irons and save the optics for my home/range guns. I don't know if you have sound...

Great actress, great lady. She will be missed.

I think it is very possible that we will see a 10mm and maybe a .45 in the future since this is touted as a duty gun.