147 grain 9mm questions
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The Night Rider
Professional
Why would you?
If new self-defense ammunition is available, even if it's new Federal 147 grain Hydroshocks why wouldn't you spend the $20 or $30 it would cost to replace it?
Tremor
Operator
I have. The question was was that round any good for self-defense?
Old_Me
SAINT
that's what i use as well.
124 grain HST either standard or plus is P works from 3” to 5” guns.
Indianapolis Meteonises the 124 plus p HST and drop guys like bad habbits. It’s pretty much maxed out with 4” barrels so what it clicks in a Glock 19/45 it will not gain in a 17. Their range staff tested it through both.
147’s are better out of 4 1/2-5” guns but if your looking for pure what’s “probably” gonna do better the 124’s or the 135 plus O Critical Duty is also a great round and the Marshals Service Texas DPS and Kansas State Troopers have shown that round is very effective.
That said Shot Placement and penetration solve more issues than caliber, expansion and capacity does
Indianapolis Meteonises the 124 plus p HST and drop guys like bad habbits. It’s pretty much maxed out with 4” barrels so what it clicks in a Glock 19/45 it will not gain in a 17. Their range staff tested it through both.
147’s are better out of 4 1/2-5” guns but if your looking for pure what’s “probably” gonna do better the 124’s or the 135 plus O Critical Duty is also a great round and the Marshals Service Texas DPS and Kansas State Troopers have shown that round is very effective.
That said Shot Placement and penetration solve more issues than caliber, expansion and capacity does
Old_Me
SAINT
what the heck is this...???
Warrior9(Ret)
Custom
Sounds French to me
Old_Me
SAINT
well then, i can't spell french, so i guess i can't google it.Sounds French to me
Warrior9(Ret)
Custom
I tried. All I got was a meteor fireball over Indianapolis. Now that’s some HOT AMMO!
The Night Rider
Professional
Dr Gary Roberts says that any caliber/load .38 Special or larger that penetrates at least 13 inches in properly calibrated ballistic gelatin is adequate for defensive use. In 147 grain Hydroshocks meet those criteria they're good for defense.
This list was compiled by Dr. Gary Roberts. I try to choose from it.
Service Caliber Handgun Duty and Self-Defense Ammo
6/1/16 When comparing well designed duty handgun ammunition, there are minimal differences in penetration depths and temporary cavity effects, as noted below in the gel shots by Doug Carr: http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq319/DocGKR/Handgun_gel_comparison.jpg As...
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9 mm:
Barnes XPB 115 gr JHP (copper bullet)
Federal Tactical 124 gr JHP (LE9T1)
Federal HST 124 gr +P JHP (P9HST3)
Remington Golden Saber bonded 124 gr +P JHP (GSB9MMD)
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P JHP
Winchester Ranger-T 124 gr +P JHP (RA9124TP)
Winchester 124 gr +P bonded JHP (RA9BA)
Winchester Ranger-T 127 gr +P+ JHP (RA9TA)
Federal Tactical 135 gr +P JHP (LE9T5)
Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P PT
Federal HST 147 gr JHP (P9HST2)
Remington Golden Saber 147 gr JHP (GS9MMC)
Speer Gold Dot 147 gr JHP
Speer G2 147 gr PT
Winchester Ranger-T 147 gr JHP (RA9T)
Winchester 147 gr bonded JHP (RA9B/Q4364)
I use 124 grain +p Gold Dots
Sorry missed it. Indianapolis Metro Police Department .several years ago Indianapolis decided they wanted to be like Nashville TN and so a Metro and merged yhe majority of the Sheriffs Office with IPD for “Metro” like new patches and everything. It seems to be working pretty good like 13-15 years later.
They are dumping bad guys with 124 HST plus P one or 2 times a week.
HansGruber
Ronin
Because there is nothing wrong with it?
It’s the same bullet as modern HydraShok, and as long as it’s been kept in a relatively stable environment (ie, indoors), it’s not going to have ignition issues.
I’d use it with no second thoughts.
HansGruber
Ronin
It works decently out of service-length (4” or longer) barrels. It can have expansion issues in shorter barrels at lower velocities.
The Night Rider
Professional
I don't disagree with you
If it's what I had to use I'd use it with no second thoughts but if I could get something new I would.
TurboDog910
Operator
I recently started using 147 grain . this stuff specifically.
www.sgammo.com
Mainly because I just stepped
Into the suppressor zone.
Works great , no issues.
1000 Round Case - 9mm Luger Speer Lawman 147 Grain TMJ Subsonic Ammo - 53620 | SGAmmo.com
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Into the suppressor zone.
Works great , no issues.
rcurtner
Professional
I feed Fed 9mm HST 147 grainers to my Echelon as with all my 9mm pistols. Don't shoot them much, too expensive, but they always go bang are very accurate & no reliability issues. Also practice with Fed 147 fmj-fp at the same velocity but at half the cost, Sorry, late to this post.Good Morning y’all
I’m amazed at the different types of 9mm ammunition that is available now.
Now, it’s been awhile since I’ve owned a 9mm firearm. The selection of ammunition wasn’t as extensive as it is now.
I’m prone to using the heavier weight bullets. 230gr .45 ACP JHP is what I’m comfortable with in a 1911.
I’ve read about the 147gr 9mm JHP for home / self defense. By what I’ve read it seems to have a pretty good track record.
It’ll be for my Echelon 4.5F.
Would that be a good choice? I know it’s on the expensive side. At least I’m not using eggs
Thanks in advance. Hope everyone has a pleasant Sunny.
Warrior9(Ret)
Custom
as long as the ammunition has been maintained in the proper conditions and environment you should be GTG.
I use to love it when the AHA ( Ammunition Holding Area) had to clear out “Old Ammo”. It usually happens just before the end of the year. Everything from TOW and AT4s to M203, .50 CAL and sometimes hand grenades. Good Training
I use to love it when the AHA ( Ammunition Holding Area) had to clear out “Old Ammo”. It usually happens just before the end of the year. Everything from TOW and AT4s to M203, .50 CAL and sometimes hand grenades. Good Training
I will say Indiana State Police had a love affair with 147 grain. When they ran Beretta 92g’s in the 1990’s they ran 147 Hydra Shocks and killed about everyone they shot with it.
Then went to 40 cal Berettas for a while not sure of the duty load in 40 and eventually went to Glock 9mm in 2007/8 (after 40 Glocks had like a 2 month debut and some hate and discontent happened) the Glock 17’s were fed 147 Gold Dots and again they killed about everyone they shot
They went to 45 ACP in 2010 and 230 Gold Dots ever since (they ran Glock 21’s from 10-14 new Superintendent changed to Sig 227 in 45 acp in 2014 and they have been ever since.
Rumor is they are going back to 9mm this year (new superintendent and Governor) but not sure as the Sig 320 fiasco keeps getting bigger.
Then went to 40 cal Berettas for a while not sure of the duty load in 40 and eventually went to Glock 9mm in 2007/8 (after 40 Glocks had like a 2 month debut and some hate and discontent happened) the Glock 17’s were fed 147 Gold Dots and again they killed about everyone they shot
They went to 45 ACP in 2010 and 230 Gold Dots ever since (they ran Glock 21’s from 10-14 new Superintendent changed to Sig 227 in 45 acp in 2014 and they have been ever since.
Rumor is they are going back to 9mm this year (new superintendent and Governor) but not sure as the Sig 320 fiasco keeps getting bigger.
Bassbob
Emissary
Gold Dots are good. I ran them in my Shield .40