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Another Sad Accidental Shooting

Of the above 3 articles, I'd be willing to say the first one might be legitimate, IE: shot himself in the leg probably indicating he had the gun in his lap playing with it and it doesn't report the type or size of the gun. I would bet it was a handgun. #2 and #3 stories are so full of chit, they're not only unbelievable, they're ridiculous. To begin with it would take a pretty special 3 yr old to even lift an AR (pistol or rifle) to a position that could shoot themselves if in fact they could fire them. And they do in fact have manual safeties that a baby must first deactivate .... unless of course the safety was left off to begin with.

Damn I hate it when some folks will argue just to argue even when they know the predominate facts don't support the story.
 
10mmLife said:
One thing to consider is that after a shooting the police dectectives will swab the suspected shooters hands for gunpowder residue. Everyone directly involved would most likely get swabbed also.

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That's generally true 10mmL and a valid point. Thanks for pointing it out. Problem is we rarely ever hear of those findings because we've already moved on to other shootings claiming to have been done by the baby.
 
jumpinjoe said:
Of course you could go on and on ...... but do you truly believe everyone of those that are blamed on babies are the babies doing the shooting? Read the additional points and the people involved in any article and ask yourself if it doesn't appear as maybe, just maybe some POS adult is blaming it on that baby because the baby can't argue back. Are we all really that gullible?
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In my opinion Detectives are very smart and good at what they do. Forensic science these days is also a big time game changer now at solving cases. Out of all the accidental shootings we read about and the ones we don't. Foul play is probably involved in less than 10% I'm just guessing. I've actually seen three accidental, unintentional or negligent (what ever you want to call it), discharges in my life. One was mine at 14 years old! Luckily I had the rifle pointed in a safe Direction. I have good upbringing around firearms and was started on gun safety at a young age to thank for that. There are so many unintentionally discharged firearms that don't kill or hurt anyone every day in this country! You just don't hear about them because nothing bad came of it! An unintentionally discharged firearm is an accident in my opinion! I don't care what anyone says! Some times s**t happens! If it kills or critically wounds someone? It is a very tragic accident. Regardless of negligence, poor safety training, no safety training at all, product failure, and what ever else comes to mind. They all created an unintentional discharge. Think about it there is unintentional discharge and there is intentional discharge. It's that simple! Until you've had a UD or been present when another person has had one. You have no Idea how it feels, and trust me you don't want to know! I'm Just thankful that three I've seen in my life (mine being one of them) didn't hurt or kill anybody for gods sake! Because some people that have had UD and accidentally killed someone from the result of it. Has to live with that **** for the rest of their life!!! Hunting accidents are some real bad intentional discharges gone wrong! Way wrong. Let's all just do our best as gun owners to exercises proper firearm safety and educate and also pass it on to others. If your at the range and you see someone exercising poor gun educate and safety. Be that person that says "Hey man pay attention to what the heck your doing"! Then get in you car and go home before you accidentally get shot! 😂😂😂
 
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jumpinjoe said:
Friend, it appears you read my post rather selectively. You quoted well what I said that you could find fault with, but totally ignored the part in that same post where I said ... "I never said it was impossible, I did say it was unlikely, and especially in so many similar cases. Of course there is somewhere a 3 yr old who can do all these things. But in reality, he/she/it would be a rarity, not the typical 3 yr old." Please note the word 'typical' here.

You also seemed to follow Hans in his assertion that I had implied all handguns have a manual safety, but again you were being pretty selective because what I actually said was .... "it would be very difficult if not impossible for a 3 yr old to release a safety if any, ......" (emphasis is mine).... so obviously I didn't assume any gun had a safety.

So I guess I just have to ask, is it something I've done to upset you, or are you just a little dissatisfied with the world in general?

And BTW, like you, I too "..... have an old school Hellcat without a manual safety..." Now are we OK?
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That's awesome! 😂😂 Absolutely love it!😂😂
 
Kodiak Cowboy said:
In my opinion Detectives are very smart and good at what they do. Forensic science these days is also a big time game changer now at solving cases. Out of all the accidental shootings we read about and the ones we don't. Foul play is probably involved in less than 10% I'm just guessing. I've actually seen three accidental, unintentional or negligent (what ever you want to call it), discharges in my life. One was mine at 14 years old! Luckily I had the rifle pointed in a safe Direction. I have good upbringing around firearms and was started on gun safety at a young age to thank for that. There are so many unintentionally discharged firearms that don't kill or hurt anyone every day in this country! You just don't hear about them because nothing bad came of it! An unintentionally discharged firearm is an accident in my opinion! I don't care what anyone says! Some times s**t happens! If it kills or critically wounds someone? It is a very tragic accident. Regardless of negligence, poor safety training, no safety training at all, product failure, and what ever else comes to mind. They all created an unintentional discharge. Think about it there is unintentional discharge and there is intentional discharge. It's that simple! Until you've had a UD or been present when another person has had one. You have no Idea how it feels, and trust me you don't want to know! I'm Just thankful that three I've seen in my life (mine being one of them) didn't hurt or kill anybody for gods sake! Because some people that have had UD and accidentally killed someone from the result of it. Has to live with that **** for the rest of their life!!! Hunting accidents are some real bad intentional discharges gone wrong! Way wrong. Let's all just do our best as gun owners to exercises proper firearm safety and educate and also pass it on to others. If your at the range and you see someone exercising poor gun educate and safety. Be that person that says "Hey man pay attention to what the heck your doing"! Then get in you car and go home before you accidentally get shot! 😂😂😂
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I could go into great depth on unintentional discharge of a firearm and yes I’ve been present during one that could have been very bad of course nothing could be good about a UD.
However a “child” having access to or finding a loaded gun and is able to pull the trigger and hurt or kill someone or his/herself is NOT a UD it is gross negligence and reprehensible for the adults in that child’s life to not have done everything that they could have
done to prevent that from happening.
This is not about an accident or justifying it using percentages.
It’s a tragedy that could have been prevented. It’s happening to often and one is to many.
 
Keystone19250 said:
I could go into great depth on unintentional discharge of a firearm and yes I’ve been present during one that could have been very bad of course nothing could be good about a UD.
However a “child” having access to or finding a loaded gun and is able to pull the trigger and hurt or kill someone or his/herself is NOT a UD it is gross negligence and reprehensible for the adults in that child’s life to not have done everything that they could have
done to prevent that from happening.
This is not about an accident or justifying it using percentages.
It’s a tragedy that could have been prevented. It’s happening to often and one is to many.
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I definitely understand that, and agree on the inexcusable negligence. A child that doesn't comprehend the capabilities of a firearm definitely knows no difference between UD or ID. However, if a child is killed or "accidentally" kills because of inexcusable gross negligence. It is a very horrible and tragic accident that the child was at all involved regardless what happened. No one can take the innocence from a child and think it's at all remotely ok. Should be punishment by death in my opinion! That's how strongly I feel about it!
 
jumpinjoe said:
So I guess I just have to ask, is it something I've done to upset you, or are you just a little dissatisfied with the world in general?

And BTW, like you, I too "..... have an old school Hellcat without a manual safety..." Now are we OK?
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Joe, don't take it personally that I disagree with you. You said agree to disagree, I disagree no biggie...
BTW: I am dissatisfied with the world in general, but that has nothing to do with you or your post and is bet left for posting on a different forum...
 
OK friend, we're fine. It wasn't just the disagreement you took with me, it was the fact you busted my balls 3 different times in the same thread. #13, #33, and # 35. Now I'm usually pretty OK with honest disagreements, it just seemed you were somehow out to prove something that wasn't readily apparent to me.

But I do appreciate your honesty in #49. Let's let bygones be bygones. Whadayasay?
 
jumpinjoe said:
Now I'm usually pretty OK with honest disagreements, it just seemed you were somehow out to prove something that wasn't readily apparent to me.

But I do appreciate your honesty in #49. Let's let bygones be bygones. Whadayasay?
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Like I said, nothing personal. I just feel that it is more prevalent than you know or will admit. I read a slew of different news services daily and see more and more of these stories as time goes by. As more and more unintelligent people (and I'm not talking intellectually challenged, I'm talking gun safety dumb) people start carrying without paying the proper respect to gun safety around toddlers more and more headlines are "Toddler shoots mother, shoots self, shoots brother" you get the picture. So if you ask, am I busting your balls? Yeah, maybe a little bit, but like I said, nothing personal. I respect your opinion on the matter, I just don't agree with it. Cay sera sera...
 
Bassbob said:
Que Sara Sara.

I'm pretty sure the common denominator isn't regular folks who decided to start carrying and just aren't paying attention to gun safety.
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Thanx for the spelling primer! Not really understanding your comment? Don't know whether or not there is sarcasm there or not. Who do you consider regular folk? I consider myself as regular folk, maybe wrongly? Not paying attention to gun safety is exactly what I mean by gun safety dumb. Not paying attention to gun safety when in the company of a toddler makes it worse.
 
I'm really not going to elaborate any further. Since you read all these "News services" daily, it shouldn't be too hard for you to pull a bunch of these incidents that you say are happening all the time now and look and see what most of them have in common.

It should be pointed out though that firearms accidents are and have been on the way down, not up, for many years.
 
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