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ECS686

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Since appendix has its folks for it and others that outright never folks I’ll just say the truth is somewhere in the middle.

So let’s have a civil discussion. If

Appendix (AIWB) despite what the instagram shooters think has been around since at least the 1850’s of not before with Pirates and single shots tucked in sashes

I will say rule 1 USE A HOLSTER. Now that’s outbid the way I will say say the bigger issues or negatives with AIWB is depending on body position you can muzzle weep your femoral wtc. However watch anyone draw from the 3 or 9 position and they a lot of times also briefly have a muzzle going across the same femoral artery.
If carrying AIWB and sitting don’t try and reholster while sitting. Take the holster off and reholster and then tuck OR stand up!

What I practice with AIWB is I don’t do it with striker fired handguns period! The ones that have issues are the stiker kids (usually with Apex or lighter race triggers)

A hammer fired DA/SA, DAO, LEM, 1911 or revolver while yes you don’t want to violate any of the 4 rules with those you really have to do 2 or more to get bit vs strikers.

Remember when we transition from Revolvers and DA/SA to Glocks and the term Glock Leg happend (even though Like the Beretta M9 slide separating story it Glock Leg to was much exaggerated over actual occurrences)

So it can be done safely but there are stipulations. Use a Hammer fired DASA wheelgun or 1911 (while we are on 1911’s the biggest issue with 1911’s are folks think they need to come off safe before they even get on target of wait to put on safe as the muzzle is in the holster to reholstering….dont so that you will have an issue just ask Tex Gruuber as that’s what but him not the Serpa)

If it’s not for you that’s fine but AIWB has been around for a long long time.

So thoughts???

Here is a link with legendary Chick Gaylord as the model!

And link I obtained from Lee Weems


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i got my ccw in june of '21, and went straight to AIWB

my reasoning being my body/frame, and it's just "easier" to conceal

i have the Alien Gear AIWB holster than has a rather large backing plate(??), so it is actually quite comfortable, over the "we the people" AIWB, i had originally bought, which has no such backing plate, and dug deeply into my side.
 
I appendix carry with a striker every day.
Outside the regular rules of firearm safety there is only one extra that applies to AIWB. And really it should apply to all types of CC too.

Leave the gun completely in the holster until you are actually using the gun.

Almost all NDs ( and yes, I think all unintended discharges are negligent) involving holstered weapons happen while re-holstering. So make GD sure what you’re doing while re-holstering.
 
Bassbob said:
I appendix carry with a striker every day.
Outside the regular rules of firearm safety there is only one extra that applies to AIWB. And really it should apply to all types of CC too.

Leave the gun completely in the holster until you are actually using the gun.

Almost all NDs ( and yes, I think all unintended discharges are negligent) involving holstered weapons happen while re-holstering. So make GD sure what you’re doing while re-holstering.
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In normal handling of say yes. However I have seen several ADs upon the drawing. (Tex “I just F ing shot myself” Gruber is a great example from folks drawing. Usually they involve someone starting a trigger pull as the muzzle is leaving the holster. While they use to preach that in the da revolver days it will lead to problems with most popular autos today. I even investigated one (shell their Captian called me and asked me to have a look see) he shot himself with a DAO Beretta but the bullet track was straight down the front of the holster so he cranked that trigger back while trying to impress other instructors on the range . (Someone made a hilarious video on the dude if I can find it I’ll post for the comedian relief) he was ok but his instructor status was decertified as it should have been

If you do it with a 1911 where you have to flip off a safety your a special case (no disrespect to Gruber)
 
ECS686 said:
In normal handling of say yes. However I have seen several ADs upon the drawing. (Tex “I just F ing shot myself” Gruber is a great example from folks drawing. Usually they involve someone starting a trigger pull as the muzzle is leaving the holster. While they use to preach that in the da revolver days it will lead to problems with most popular autos today. I even investigated one (shell their Captian called me and asked me to have a look see) he shot himself with a DAO Beretta but the bullet track was straight down the front of the holster so he cranked that trigger back while trying to impress other instructors on the range . (Someone made a hilarious video on the dude if I can find it I’ll post for the comedian relief) he was ok but his instructor status was decertified as it should have been

If you do it with a 1911 where you have to flip off a safety your a special case (no disrespect to Gruber)
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You could do that with any gun. And it definitely qualifies as negligent.

If you haven’t dry fired or repetitiously practiced your draw to the point that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE does your finger bend until you are up and on target then you’re doing it dangerously wrong regardless of what gun you carry.
 
Bassbob said:
You could do that with any gun. And it definitely qualifies as negligent.

If you haven’t dry fired or repetitiously practiced your draw to the point that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE does your finger bend until you are up and on target then you’re doing it dangerously wrong regardless of what gun you carry.
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But but that sub second draw and jail bait split times!!!!!!!!

Yup a lot of folks just follow knuckleheads down the wrong path.
 
Not my thing, nothing against it but tried almost every method I could find early on and strong side hip owb , weak side hip pocket and cross draw are the three I have decided work best for me. Occasionally coat pocket carry.

in accordance with that sentiment I have no educated opinion on what to carry and how for best appendix carry.
 
Bassbob said:
Well you can do sub 1 sec. draw with a striker carried AIWB without being unsafe.

Maybe it just boils down to some people aren’t in control of their own body and those people should carry OWB and have external safeties. 💁‍♂️
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My pint was folks that get into issues then trying to hurry is the underlying factor.

As such The sub second quip was a joke. As all the instagram dudes sims them trying to do the sub second but it takes them several attempts and they only show the 10th attempt.

It’s become an area of contention on the trainjng side as in a protective arena you have to visually identify if your drawing the gun and legal the. Brain has to send signals and everything. That’s a lot different than you know at a range session you’re going to draw and shoot X number of rounds.

So that said You can not do it with regular frequency every-time it’s actually more like 1.5 seconds.
Especially when some cold.
 
I have been carrying AIWB for a good while. Similar to Old-me, I use a hybrid holster, only mine is from Crossbreed. For me, it is comfortable, and I can wear it while driving, working (physical work like using a hoe, etc.), at church and about anywhere else. I have a tuckable holster and can easily conceal with a tucked-in shirt if need be. I carry a DA/SA because I am more comfortable with the additional control. I always put the holster on, then put in the gun with my thumb on the hammer. When I am reholstering, I want that to be the ONLY thing I am focused on.
 
ECS686 said:
My pint was folks that get into issues then trying to hurry is the underlying factor.

As such The sub second quip was a joke. As all the instagram dudes sims them trying to do the sub second but it takes them several attempts and they only show the 10th attempt.

It’s become an area of contention on the trainjng side as in a protective arena you have to visually identify if your drawing the gun and legal the. Brain has to send signals and everything. That’s a lot different than you know at a range session you’re going to draw and shoot X number of rounds.

So that said You can not do it with regular frequency every-time it’s actually more like 1.5 seconds.
Especially when some cold.
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Personally I don’t often shoot with a timer. Nearly 100% of my pistol shooting consists of drills and training. Am I concerned with speed, sure. When your ass is on the line tenths of seconds count. I know two things though. Re-holstering speed doesn’t matter and my finger stays straight until I have a target/sight picture.
 
I have four guns I’ll carry AIWB. A SW 432 Ti, an LCR, both DAO, a Springfield Hellcat w/manual safety, safety engaged, and a Beretta Px4 compact w/decocker, decocked. Always in holsters built specifically for said gun. I can really only conceal the first three well due to bit of a gut. Harry’s Holsters Icon 2.0 conceal the two tiny revolvers exceptionally well so that’s about all I’m carrying recently.

I will carry strikers, sans safeties, strong side around 4:30-5:00. Guess I’m more willing to take a negligent bullet in the butt than in the femoral artery. And I’m not foolish enough to believe I could never, ever, ever, ever, possibly make a mistake.

If IWB, I will remove holster to reholster gun, range or otherwise. With exception being reholstering the two tiny revolvers into kydex AIWB.
 
Biggfoot44 said:
This topic is one of the few that proves the rule .

There really isn't any middle ground .
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Well everything ain't for everybody. I used to think I was firmly in the "Don't point the Glock at the ****" camp. Until it was pointed out to me that you have a pretty good chance of shooting yourself in the femoral artery carrying strong side as well. And having the workspace in front of you is faster and much better for concealment. It's also infinitely more comfortable.

The guns I carry AIWB ( all safetyless strikers by the way) all have Muddy River Tactical holsters that were built for those specific guns and AIWB carry.

It's like my rule when I used to make my living 3 and 4 stories up in the air on the side of people's houses on a 14" walkboard stretched between a pair of ladders on ladder jacks. Always use the best equipment, always set it up properly and tie it off. The rest is easy. The only way you fall off is if you do something stupid. So don't so something stupid.

I spent hours daily for a couple weeks drawing, dryfiring and reholstering my empty gun in my AIWB holster before I started carrying that way. If you think about it it's actually safer than IWB at 3 or 4 o:clock in my opinion. For one thing when you draw from appendix it is almost second nature to have your finger pointing straight out away from you as you grab the grip of your holstered weapon. A couple thousand dryfire draws and it is absolutely muscle memory. Defeating the cover garment is far easier. There is really almost no way to F that up.
 
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