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Avoid Being a Target — Is Your Pistol Truly Concealed?

Is there any evidence that open carry increases risk? I believe it would make the perp choose another place and time. Few people (if any) want to add murder to their charges unless there is a defensive reason.

Anyway, I am perfectly willing to believe otherwise if there is actual evidence and it is not just about flogging Youtube videos.
 
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jschmidt said:
Is there any evidence that open carry increases risk? I believe it would make the perp choose another place and time. Few people (if any) want to add murder to their charges unless there is a defensive reason.

Anyway, I am perfectly willing to believe otherwise if there is actual evidence and it is not just about flogging Youtube videos.
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When I was working as an armed security guard I had at least one person try to take my gun off me. I had a couple threaten to try to take my gun off me and a few who I'm pretty sure were sizing me up for it.

I don't know if that counts as evidence to you but it counts as evidence to me
 
jschmidt said:
Is there any evidence that open carry increases risk? I believe it would make the perp choose another place and time. Few people (if any) want to add murder to their charges unless there is a defensive reason.

Anyway, I am perfectly willing to believe otherwise if there is actual evidence and it is not just about flogging Youtube videos.
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Yes, the evidence are the OC'ers, cops included, who have been received of their firearms. We have criminals who rob armor trucks, drug dealers, get into shootouts with gang bangers, etc. They aren't scared of you because you have a gun. They have guns too. What they will be is attracted to you because they know you have something that's just as valuable to them as drugs, money, and jewelry. They will simply account and game plan for how to attack you in a different way versus how they'd go about attacking an unarmed person.
 
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When I was working as an armed security guard I had at least one person try to take my gun off me. I had a couple threaten to try to take my gun off me and a few who I'm pretty sure were sizing me up for it.

I don't know if that counts as evidence to you but it counts as evidence to me
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I don't really think so. Wearing full regalia is different from wearing just a holster.

Was this at the mall? Why do you think you looked like an easy score? (And glad you weren't.
 
I've seen an OCer robbed first hand last year, I've seen several cases of it meantioned on my local TV news stations in the past, and I heard of many other cases OCers being robbed when the holy war OC vs CC debate has been waged on gun forums ad nauseam over the past decade. I directly asked one of the responding officers that responded to the OC robbery I witnessed if has he delt with this before, and he told me that he has on several occasions. I posted a little about it here after it happened. Note: I was conceal carrying literally standing almost shoulder to shoulder to the OC'er who was being robbed via a Glock jammed under his chin. The two thieves walked into the restaurant right behind me; however, my EDC at the time (Shield 45) and BUG (Taurus 85 on my ankle) aka two guns where NOT taken. I wonder why that was?


There's Joshua Wright. Joshua releaved a conceal carrier's handgun in a Walmart bathroom and then pointed the handgun at the victim. Wright knew the conceal carrier had a firearm because the conceal carrier inadvertently flash his conceal carry when his shirt came up in the parking lot as he was walking into the store. His gun was never recovered.
In Medford, Oregon, a Walmart customer was robbed of his concealed carry firearm. Police stated that the victim was not fully concealing his Springfield XD 40 caliber handgun. They spotted him walking into the store from the parking lot partially exposing his gun inadvertently. After entering the store, the customer said he went straight to the bathroom. He wasn’t aware of being followed.

https://www.onlinecarrytraining.com/blog/concealed-carry-owner-robbed-of-gun-at-walmart/

Suspect arrested in Walmart gun theft - KOBI-TV NBC5 / KOTI-TV NBC2
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Then there's the conceal carrier who was tackled by another customer inside Wal-Mart after the other customer saw the 62 year old conceal carrier "grabbed his handgun from his car and slipped it into a hip holster underneath his coat." The Wal-Mart shopper who tackled the man was inside the store when he seen this.
Hapless hero is left facing charges after he put Walmart shopper in choke-hold when he saw his legally concealed pistol...

A vigilante who put a man in a choke hold without warning from behind when he saw him enter a Florida Wal-Mart with a concealed firearm has been charged with battery.

Hapless hero is left facing charges after he put Walmart shopper in choke-hold when he saw his legally concealed pistol
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I remember the below story when it was first reported. This happened in Richmond, VA. The man who had a CCW permit decided to open carry, he was targeted because of it, and test later showed he was killed with his own gun.
Tyler, 48, had a concealed-carry permit, but his handgun was plainly visible that night in his holster, Johnson said.

"The suspects walk in and one immediately reached for Mr. Tyler's gun," Johnson said. Tyler did not draw his weapon.

According to court papers, Smith took Tyler's gun during a struggle and shot Tyler in the chest after the victim chased Smith inside the store. Authorities said they could not confirm that Tyler was killed with his own gun until they get the results of forensics testing. They also are awaiting test results to show whether the gun used to kill Tyler was the one used to shoot Cosby.

Teen homicide suspects have criminal histories
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Another open carrier in my state of VA who was robbed for his handgun in broad daylight at 3pm in the evening.
The man said he was approached from behind by two men, and one of them demanded his gun. The other then grabbed the gun from the holster and pushed him to the ground. Both men fled on foot southbound toward the trailer parks, Eley said.

Man wearing handgun open carry robbed in Newport News, police say – Daily Press
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And another one....
Upon arrival officers made contact with a 21 year old male victim who told officers that he had been robbed by two teenage male suspects brandishing a firearm. The victim advised that he was open carrying a firearm within a holster on his hip when he was approached by the two suspects. As the suspects approached him they brandished a firearm and robbed him of his weapon. The suspects then fled but were later located by a patrolling officer. As the officer attempted to contact the suspects they fled but were apprehended in a residential neighborhood near prospect.

News Release Document... - Houma Police Department
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Here's a law abiding citizen who was open carrying his AR15. He was rob of his AR15; however, he was able to shoot at the criminals with the CONCEALED handgun that they didn't see so they didn't take it. The robbery victim shot the thug who stole his open carried AR15 with his concealed carried handgun multiple times!
The individual went inside Wellston Food Market on 6250 Page Avenue open carrying the semi-automatic rifle, but did not use it in a threatening manner and left the store. Outside of the store, shortly before 3 p.m., an adult male confronted the individual, brandished a weapon and demanded the AR-15.

St. Louis Riverfront Times
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Another...
The victim was standing at the counter when the suspect reached into the victim’s pocket and stole a handgun," the statement said. "The suspect then fled on foot.

https://myfox28columbus.com/news/lo...n-street-surveillance-suspect-columbus-police
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Another...
A surveillance camera at the BP at Seven Mile and Wyoming captured the perp in a red Nike hoodie walking up behind a 53-year-old man open carrying a pistol.

He yanks it from the holster, points it at the victim, and takes off running with a second man who appears to be a partner in crime.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/po...from-man-open-carrying-at-detroit-gas-station
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Another....
Witnesses said that around 9 AM, inside a Dunkin' Donuts, the suspect noticed the victim, called Brian Dykes, carrying a firearm on his waistline. The suspect “grabbed it [the gun] from his [Dykes] pants.” The suspect ran out of the store, and Dykes chased after him.

Dykes caught the suspect outside the store in the parking lot and the two men wrestled over control of the gun. According to news reports, the suspect shot Dykes with his own gun, and then fled to a nearby hotel where he was staying.

https://www.concealedcarry.com/safety/man-disarmed-and-shot-with-own-handgun-in-parking-lot/
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Another....
A man waiting in line at Cook Out had his gun stolen out of his holster and police say that another man was shot at by the same gun after pursuing the suspect.

Read more at: https://www.salisburypost.com/2024/...olster-friend-shot-at-after-pursuing-suspect/
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Here's them trying to rob an uniformed officer of his gun.


John Correia from Active Self Defense who has knowledge of tens of thousands of incidents involving guns also parroted my opinion, which is open carried "guns are magnets for criminals."

Here's another...Two separate cases of OCers being robbed in a span of one week!

Off duty female officer releaved of her firearm:


I can post many more. There are even several other YouTube videos that I recall seeing over the years of gun grabs and armed robberies of OC that I unfortunately can not find on YouTube anymore. I could also spam this entire thread with examples of OC having the cops called on them with many being held at gun point. These to a lesser degree, there are swatting cases.
 
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Here's a longer list, but I can find more if you require more evidence. @jschmidt

Open Carry Gun Stolen Off Carrier’s Hip, And Prevention Tips

Chatty Smoker Steals Gun From Open-Carry Guy

Man wearing handgun open carry robbed in Newport News, police say

Non-Concealed Carry Gun Stolen in Wal-Mart Bathroom – Because it Wasn’t Concealed

Unarmed man attempts to rob EMU student of holstered gun

Man attempts to shoot man at Fairmont convenience store

Gun Control Supporter Steals Concealed Carrier’s Gun, Shoots Him

61-year-old man shoots teenager trying to steal his gun on Detroit’s west side

Open Carrier Shot At By Passing Vehicle, Returns Fire

This is Why You MUST Have Retention on an Open Carry Firearm

This Concealed Carrier In Texas Got Robbed Of His Gun By The World’s Dumbest Criminal

Open-Carrying Firearms Instructor Attacked; Kills Assailant

Teen homicide suspects have criminal histories

Retired Officer Killed in Armed Robbery

Stolen gun at Walmart causes panic

Caught on Cam: Customer Fights Off Robber Inside Deli, Shot Fired

Gresham man robbed of pistol at gunpoint while exercising ‘open carry’ right

Man Has Shotgun Ripped Out Of His Hands Investigating Noise Outside His Home

Shocking moment man is disarmed by another patron and shot with his own gun

Suspect grabs gun from man openly carrying weapons

Armed robbery suspects sought for crime near 38th and Hampton

Motorist robbed of her own gun

Man seen stealing gun from victim killed in motorcycle crash

Man Shot And Killed With His Own Gun

Man Fights Dummy To Retain His Tool

Home video shows teen stealing gun from Wichita man’s holster as he works on car

Open Carrier Targeted? WA State

Unaware Defender Is Lucky Enough

Open Carrier Robbed of His Gun at Gunpoint

Seattle Protest Open Carry Fail

Police search for teen accused of stealing man’s gun, firing shots at him

Man shot by officers after he shot at passing car

Open Carrier Has Gun Snatched At Convenience Store

Security guard released from custody after killing a man at a gas station

Man Open-Carrying in Alabama Walmart Has Gun Snatched and a Shot Fired at Him

Individual Open Carrying AR-15 Gets Robbed at Gunpoint in St. Louis

Customer’s gun stolen while paying at Columbus gas station

17-year-old steals gun from man at Dunkin’, shoots him to death in parking lot

Gun Disarm Surveillance Video Reveals so Much

Police: 37-year-old man killed after gun stolen from holster while waiting in line at gas station

Man’s gun stolen from holster while waiting in gas station line

Another Open Carry Fail—Criminal Takes Gun From Man in Columbus, Ohio

Here's one of thieves who were even bold enough to attempt to rob a gun shop. This isn't the first time I heard this type of thing happening during business hours....
Idiot Armed Robbers Pay for Trying to Rob a Gun Store | Active Self Protection
 
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WellArmed said:
Here's a longer list, but I can find more if you require more evidence. @jschmidt

Open Carry Gun Stolen Off Carrier’s Hip, And Prevention Tips

Chatty Smoker Steals Gun From Open-Carry Guy

Man wearing handgun open carry robbed in Newport News, police say

Non-Concealed Carry Gun Stolen in Wal-Mart Bathroom – Because it Wasn’t Concealed

Unarmed man attempts to rob EMU student of holstered gun

Man attempts to shoot man at Fairmont convenience store

Gun Control Supporter Steals Concealed Carrier’s Gun, Shoots Him

61-year-old man shoots teenager trying to steal his gun on Detroit’s west side

Open Carrier Shot At By Passing Vehicle, Returns Fire

This is Why You MUST Have Retention on an Open Carry Firearm

This Concealed Carrier In Texas Got Robbed Of His Gun By The World’s Dumbest Criminal

Open-Carrying Firearms Instructor Attacked; Kills Assailant

Teen homicide suspects have criminal histories

Retired Officer Killed in Armed Robbery

Stolen gun at Walmart causes panic

Caught on Cam: Customer Fights Off Robber Inside Deli, Shot Fired

Gresham man robbed of pistol at gunpoint while exercising ‘open carry’ right

Man Has Shotgun Ripped Out Of His Hands Investigating Noise Outside His Home

Shocking moment man is disarmed by another patron and shot with his own gun

Suspect grabs gun from man openly carrying weapons

Armed robbery suspects sought for crime near 38th and Hampton

Motorist robbed of her own gun

Man seen stealing gun from victim killed in motorcycle crash

Man Shot And Killed With His Own Gun

Man Fights Dummy To Retain His Tool

Home video shows teen stealing gun from Wichita man’s holster as he works on car

Open Carrier Targeted? WA State

Unaware Defender Is Lucky Enough

Open Carrier Robbed of His Gun at Gunpoint

Seattle Protest Open Carry Fail

Police search for teen accused of stealing man’s gun, firing shots at him

Man shot by officers after he shot at passing car

Open Carrier Has Gun Snatched At Convenience Store

Security guard released from custody after killing a man at a gas station

Man Open-Carrying in Alabama Walmart Has Gun Snatched and a Shot Fired at Him

Individual Open Carrying AR-15 Gets Robbed at Gunpoint in St. Louis

Customer’s gun stolen while paying at Columbus gas station

17-year-old steals gun from man at Dunkin’, shoots him to death in parking lot

Gun Disarm Surveillance Video Reveals so Much

Police: 37-year-old man killed after gun stolen from holster while waiting in line at gas station

Man’s gun stolen from holster while waiting in gas station line

Another Open Carry Fail—Criminal Takes Gun From Man in Columbus, Ohio

Here's one of thieves who were even bold enough to attempt to rob a gun shop. This isn't the first time I heard this type of thing happening during business hours....
Idiot Armed Robbers Pay for Trying to Rob a Gun Store | Active Self Protection
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Dude, make him do his own homework when he’s presenting his opinions as facts.
 
WellArmed said:
I've seen an OCer robbed first hand last year, I've seen several cases of it meantioned on my local TV news stations in the past, and I heard of many other cases OCers being robbed when the holy war OC vs CC debate has been waged on gun forums ad nauseam over the past decade. I directly asked one of the responding officers that responded to the OC robbery I witnessed if has he delt with this before, and he told me that he has on several occasions. I posted a little about it here after it happened. Note: I was conceal carrying literally standing almost shoulder to shoulder to the OC'er who was being robbed via a Glock jammed under his chin. The two thieves walked into the restaurant right behind me; however, my EDC at the time (Shield 45) and BUG (Taurus 85 on my ankle) aka two guns where NOT taken. I wonder why that was?


There's Joshua Wright. Joshua releaved a conceal carrier's handgun in a Walmart bathroom and then pointed the handgun at the victim. Wright knew the conceal carrier had a firearm because the conceal carrier inadvertently flash his conceal carry when his shirt came up in the parking lot as he was walking into the store. His gun was never recovered.



Then there's the conceal carrier who was tackled by another customer inside Wal-Mart after the other customer saw the 62 year old conceal carrier "grabbed his handgun from his car and slipped it into a hip holster underneath his coat." The Wal-Mart shopper who tackled the man was inside the store when he seen this.



I remember the below story when it was first reported. This happened in Richmond, VA. The man who had a CCW permit decided to open carry, he was targeted because of it, and test later showed he was killed with his own gun.



Another open carrier in my state of VA who was robbed for his handgun in broad daylight at 3pm in the evening.



And another one....



Here's a law abiding citizen who was open carrying his AR15. He was rob of his AR15; however, he was able to shoot at the criminals with the CONCEALED handgun that they didn't see so they didn't take it. The robbery victim shot the thug who stole his open carried AR15 with his concealed carried handgun multiple times!



Another...



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Another....



Another....



Here's them trying to rob an uniformed officer of his gun.


John Correia from Active Self Defense who has knowledge of tens of thousands of incidents involving guns also parroted my opinion, which is open carried "guns are magnets for criminals."

Here's another...Two separate cases of OCers being robbed in a span of one week!

Off duty female officer releaved of her firearm:


I can post many more. There are even several other YouTube videos that I recall seeing over the years of gun grabs and armed robberies of OC that I unfortunately can not find on YouTube anymore. I could also spam this entire thread with examples of OC having the cops called on them with many being held at gun point. These to a lesser degree, there are swatting cases.
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When I started in LE, we were taught to protect your sidearm. I still put my hand over where my pistol would have been when I am in close quarters. Training dies hard.
 
5 of us in my posse go to lunch every Wednesday. We are all firearm instructors and expert shots and well armed. We have a rotation of favorite lunch places. It is a race to see who arrives first, selects a table in the back, and gets the gunfighter chair. Most of our places on rotation are frequent lunch spots for LEO's.
That's about it for public places for me other than Publix or Lowes...
 
3L120 said:
When I started in LE, we were taught to protect your sidearm. I still put my hand over where my pistol would have been when I am in close quarters. Training dies hard.
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I am rarely unarmed but after 55 years of EDC feel my center of gravity is off when not packing. I also instinctively guard my weapon.

I routinely avoid places that I can't legally go heeled. My late father in law was amused that I always carried. I told him humor has nothing to do with it.
 
jschmidt said:
I don't really think so.
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To quote a wise man
The Night Rider said:
I don't know if that counts as evidence to you but it counts as evidence to me
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jschmidt said:
Wearing full regalia is different from wearing just a holster.
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What makes it so?
jschmidt said:
Was this at the mall?
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No.
jschmidt said:
Why do you think you looked like an easy score? (And glad you weren't.
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Since only one person actually ever tried to take my gun I'd say I didn't look like an easy mark.
 
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