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Bassbob
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Well, your gun laws kinda suck. At least from the POV of the “ free” states.
Like what? We can get anything we want except for pistols with a really low melting point and that's a really small list. It's a "shall issue" carry state, no restrictions on mags, ammunition, types of guns we can own, ordering by mail... We aren't Illinois. Even person-to-person transfers are super easy and generally don't require much, if any, paperwork. You can't hunt deer with a .22lr but that's pretty reasonable if you give a rip about an ethical kill. Guns are kinda a part of our DNA here.Well, your gun laws kinda suck. At least from the POV of the “ free” states.
Bassbob
Emissary
Permit to purchase an AR-15. And you have to be 21. Background check on ALL gun sales, including person to person. Red flag laws. Gun storage laws. No constitutional carry. No open carry without a permit.
Hmm... I've never found any of those to be an impediment to anything. Getting a permit takes maybe a week. Transfers require a FFL background check for handguns and "military style" rifles but not others. No background check required for the rest. My understanding of storage is it has to be in a locked compartment or have a lock if it's around kids, that's about it. To me, those are not particularly onerous. It took me $100 and maybe two weeks to get my carry permit which I find acceptable given some of the people wandering around this country, but that's all a difference of opinion. To be fair, I haven't studied our gun laws in the last year or two. Maybe things have changed.
Bassbob
Emissary
Locked if not in use. Nothing about kids. And BG checks on ALL guns. According to their website. No permit to purchase on traditional long guns and shotguns but you still have to do a BGC.
Difference of opinion is ok brother. Like I said, from my POV it seems kinda infringy. And I don’t like the idea of having to get a local sheriff to sign off on anything.
Difference of opinion is ok brother. Like I said, from my POV it seems kinda infringy. And I don’t like the idea of having to get a local sheriff to sign off on anything.
No worries, bud. We can have differing opinions. For me, I walk into a store and I walk out with anything I want except for those pesky federal laws. I'm good with it here.
Bassbob
Emissary
For the record, I believe there are clearly differing degrees of "Infringy". Minnesota is not Massachussetts, Hawaii, Illinois, Rhode Island or New York, but it also isn't Missouri, Kansas, South Dakota, Montana or Texas. Lots of states fall in that middle area. Like New Mexico and Minnesota. There used to be a lot more, Iowa for instance, but thankfully more and more people are coming around to the common sense truth that guns aren't going anywhere and making it harder for law abiding citizens to get them doesn't keep criminals from getting them.
We all owe big Thanks to @HayesGreener and Florida for starting the revolution.
HayesGreener
Ronin
For the record, I believe there are clearly differing degrees of "Infringy". Minnesota is not Massachussetts, Hawaii, Illinois, Rhode Island or New York, but it also isn't Missouri, Kansas, South Dakota, Montana or Texas. Lots of states fall in that middle area. Like New Mexico and Minnesota. There used to be a lot more, Iowa for instance, but thankfully more and more people are coming around to the common sense truth that guns aren't going anywhere and making it harder for law abiding citizens to get them doesn't keep criminals from getting them.
We all owe big Thanks to @HayesGreener and Florida for starting the revolution.
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I agree with you in most respects. The one area of disagreement is private sales. I don't do them myself, but I am of the opinion background checks will prevent criminals from accessing guns. Difference of opinion.For the record, I believe there are clearly differing degrees of "Infringy". Minnesota is not Massachussetts, Hawaii, Illinois, Rhode Island or New York, but it also isn't Missouri, Kansas, South Dakota, Montana or Texas. Lots of states fall in that middle area. Like New Mexico and Minnesota. There used to be a lot more, Iowa for instance, but thankfully more and more people are coming around to the common sense truth that guns aren't going anywhere and making it harder for law abiding citizens to get them doesn't keep criminals from getting them.
We all owe big Thanks to @HayesGreener and Florida for starting the revolution.
Bassbob
Emissary
The problem is it's unenforceable without a complete gun registration database. As you know the dude in Compton selling guns to kids for cash isn't about to do a BGC. A comparable analogy might be outlawing cattle farming to fight climate change while doing nothing about the 70 new coal powered electric plants China built last year.
The Night Rider
Professional
Do you not understand that those are infringements? And they're incremental infringements.
Colorado started out with a gun bill to require background checks at gun shows. Private sales person to person were still legal but you had to have a background check to buy a gun in a gun show.
Then we got magazine capacity restrictions. They're not enforced yet but at some point they will be.
Now we've got Universal Background Checks. We've got a three-day waiting period. We've got "safe storage" laws.
They did away with State preemption so now you have to know where you're at in Colorado know whether or not the gun you're carrying is legal or not.
And it all started with background checks at gun shows.
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I've never once said I think its wise to have unfettered access to guns, so this isn't the challenge to me you might think it is. There are people who should not have them or use them. I highly doubt we'll agree on that or have a productive conversation so I'll cut this one short now.
Oh, it wouldn't catch everyone, no question there. But it would most likely prevent the criminal who meets someone on Armslist or something and dupes a well-meaning seller from getting what he's after. You and I will most likely agree that nothing is going to stop two straight-up criminals from doing criminal stuff. The BGC is one I'm ok with. No database of owners or that kind of thing, but a background check is reasonable in my book, as well as a good idea.
The Night Rider
Professional
I don't disagree that there are people who shouldn't have or use guns, unfortunately when people who shouldn't have or use guns are arrested with guns the first charge at the da usually throws out is illegal gun charge.
Perhaps you're familiar with the Club Q shooting? The guy that did that who I admit will be spending the rest of his life in prison was already on the red flag watch list it wasn't legal for him to own any type of firearm in Colorado but he bought one. Instead of pushing for laws requiring that prohibited possessors be prosecuted when they're caught with firearm Colorado has been trying to pass an assault weapons ban.