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TSiWRX said:
From virologists that I know and have spoken to, in terms of mutations, it's more often that the virus becomes non-viable when that happens. There's very little DNA in there, so things that happen by-chance actually usually does not work in favor of the virus.

That said, the rapid mutation rate of some viruses leads to the reality that yup, all it takes is that one off chance......[besides, isn't it speculated that it's this rapidity of mutations that caused said virus to be able to successfully jump species to begin with?]

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Don't feed (small pun intended :p) in to fake news......

foreignpolicy.com

Don’t Blame Bat Soup for the Coronavirus

Racist memes target Chinese eating habits, but the real causes of the virus are more mundane.
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Getting a bad case of food-poisoning? Yes.

Possibly picking up some kind of parasite? Again, yes.

But cross-species transmission is not necessarily linked to *eating* that species. Bats, since we're discussing them here, are known carriers of rabies here in North America, and since we as Americans don't typically eat them (well, Ozzy excepted, but then again, he's not really American, either.....:devilish:), it should stand that we shouldn't pick up any diseases from them, right? Obviously, that's not the case, as rabies transmission from bats to humans typically occur (from mishandling) via bites, but also much more rarely thorough aerosolization (and subsequent absorption via our mucus membranes - again, the importance of not touching your face and washing your hands comes into play) of bat saliva or urine.

To the best of my knowledge, the exact manner in which the inter-species jump which precipitated the COVID-19 outbreak is not yet known.

That said, is food-safety much worse in many Asian countries than it is here in the US? Undeniably.

Are conditions in which livestock and domestic animals kept worse than here in the US? Again, certainly.

Can these problems cause disease in humans? Again, without question.

Is the population density - as well as the number of homeless (due to often shocking economic disparity: think San Francisco, but much, much worse) - in the new metropolises of many of these still-developing countries (not just China) a public health concern? For sure.

And do these things worry me? Yes, they do.

But what helps us fight disease and paranoia is knowledge and understanding, not grasping on to the latest meme. :)
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I used it to make a point. I
The population density and close proximity to a variety of different, sometimes exotic, species seems to a layman like me as a perfect recipe for interspecies communication of disease.
 
^ That's definitely true - the close quarters for both common and exotic species is a mix that spells trouble.

And they don't even need to be consumed......

www.inverse.com

The 9 Most Horrifying 'Attack on Titan' Deaths

Sometimes, even the more minor characters meet the most unfortunate ends.
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...and FWIW, I'd rather it be that they'd have to be consumed in order for transmission: as then people can just elect not to eat those animals or diseased animals.

Alas, we can't exactly choose to not breathe airborne particles we are not able to see, and may not even know about.


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BET7 said:
Here’s a good article on virus & bacteria mutation rates and why they stay one step ahead of us

www.vox.com

How viruses stay one step ahead of our efforts to kill them

Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...
www.vox.com www.vox.com
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Excellent article. Great find, @BET7 :)

Oh, and towards some of what's written in that article, there's one more to add to that list of things I don't like about China.....

In Chinese culture, there's virtually no differentiation in the lay language between "antibiotic" and "anti-inflammatory." Couple this with with fact that when ethnic Chinese seek healthcare for cold/flu symptoms, they *_expect_* antibiotics to be prescribed because that's what their parents and their parents' parents doctors did for them.

Even through to my generation (I ride the latter half of Generation X), outside of those who are in the medical/biological science fields, there's unfortunately very little common understanding of antibiotic resistance, and also why antibiotics are not prescribed for viral illnesses.
 
^ If it bleeds, it leads.

That said, I wish they'd harp a bit about the "common" flu, and the importance of flu shots (particularly for vulnerable populations) and even more so proper hygiene.

To me, this is the same as someone who is afraid of flying due to the few airline mishaps that they see in the news, yet thinks nothing about hopping in their automobile while choosing to not fasten their seat-belt.
 
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BET7 said:
Correct, thanks for pointing it out. I went back and fixed it. I’m typing on my iPad & it autocorrects sometimes incorrectly :mad:. I’m close to turning if off.
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I have a similar problem with autocorrect only I'm typing a word so badly autocorrect starts making suggestions for an entirely different subject...🤣
 
10mmLife said:
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I have a similar problem with autocorrect only I'm typing a word so badly autocorrect starts making suggestions for an entirely different subject...🤣
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That happens a lot to me when I try to post on my iPhone. The keyboard is so small that I hit the wrong keys often & autocorrect changes it to a word that doesn’t fit the context of what I was writing. I have to preview and proof read going back several times to manually correct it. It’s one reason I try to stay on the computer for this forum, but when I moved to the living room to watch tv, I type on the Apple devices.
 
I was out shopping today and we need to get some canned chicken for dip and they were out the worker said everyone was buying it an abunch of other thing up because of the virus. Just now heard it on the new two cases in PA now.
 
Yeah, I’ve been reading a lot about it lately. I didn’t hear about food shortages, but with the news playing it up so much, I guess it‘s to be expected. Next I’m sure we’ll start seeing people wearing the masks like they are in other countries, mostly China. I’ve heard the masks are more effective for people that already have the virus than it is for people not infected, which they say it not effective at all.
 
BET7 said:
Yeah, I’ve been reading a lot about it lately. I didn’t hear about food shortages, but with the news playing it up so much, I guess it‘s to be expected. Next I’m sure we’ll start seeing people wearing the masks like they are in other countries, mostly China. I’ve heard the masks are more effective for people that already have the virus than it is for people not infected, which they say it not effective at all.
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There is a shortage on them and hand sanitizer paper towel and such things. As of the can food not really shore of that but they did have a good sale on it. They might be buying it in case they get quarantine I guess.
 
adam sr said:
There is a shortage on them and hand sanitizer paper towel and such things. As of the can food not really shore of that but they did have a good sale on it. They might be buying it in case they get quarantine I guess.
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Wow, didn’t know that was happening. Kind of sounds what happens when they forecast a snow storm
 
This was the explanation of the mask this morning.
It keeps your hands away from your mouth and nose.
Primary entry points for a respiratory virus.
Keep your hands away from your eyes too as that's another
entry point.
The mask will not remove the airborne virus.
 
Yesterday I received an email from the hospital (I work in healthcare) that all masks are now being locked up as they were being stolen at an alarming rate.
When shopping yesterday for the weekly supplies. No hand sanitizer or antibacterial wipes, no hand soap. Paper towels and toilet paper where almost non existent. Seen people with masks on for the first time. People are really starting to panic. Most of the people I see running around with mask on, it's the wrong type and it's not even on correctly.
 
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