Does the Cartridge Still Matter?

[TidalWave]

well i like Paul Harrell, and he has very good videos.

however, i do not believe that any of us are going to shoot the perp from the side, thru all that.

hopefully if we need to shoot to stop the threat, it's full on face to face.

yes, layers clothing still makes a difference but the bullet will not be traveling the long distance from the side, arm, side of ribs, to heart...

i dunno.....i just hope i DON'T have to shoot anyone, but glad i CAN if i have to.

…well said..

 

[Recusant]

yes, layers clothing still makes a difference but the bullet will not be traveling the long distance from the side, arm, side of ribs, to heart...
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That's why a lot of us old-timers carry semi-wad cutters in our stub-nose revolvers.

 

[KillerFord1977]

Pfft…9s, 10s, whatevers…you wimps do what you want.
“ Age Quod Agis “

I’m going over to a Flamethrower !!!

 

[Recusant]

 

[Annihilator]

 

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[Keystone19250]

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That picture makes me cringe.

 

[Old_Me]

That's why a lot of us old-timers carry semi-wad cutters in our stub-nose revolvers.

i am confused with that..

if it's a semi-wad cutter, that means the tip is "flat" how can a flat bullet penetrate thru all that, over a "pointy" bullet??

i need to know why semi wad cutters.

 

[TidalWave]

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Yeah babeeee !!!

 

[Keystone19250]

That's why a lot of us old-timers carry semi-wad cutters in our stub-nose revolvers.

Who are you calling “old timers”
Wait ok I’m old.

 

[TidalWave]

Who are you calling “old timers”
Wait ok I’m old.

…don’t sweat it Key… I’m right behind you

 

[TSiWRX]

I’m going over to a Flamethrower !!!

^ So that was you I passed on the freeway the other day!!!!!

 

[Keystone19250]

…don’t sweat it Key… I’m right behind you

Ok I’ll remember not to stop fast.

 

[Old_Me]

ok, i found this video, regarding wad cutters for self defense..

 

[Keystone19250]

ok, i found this video, regarding wad cutters for self defense..

Interesting, what about trying to punch through heavy clothes? For instance heavy winter coat?
That round leaves a lot of questions.

 

[Recusant]

These give you the best of both worlds. I carry these in my Sp 101.

 

[Old_Me]

Interesting, what about trying to punch through heavy clothes? For instance heavy winter coat?
That round leaves a lot of questions.

that's why i had asked the other guy who said he carries them in his revolver. i'd think you'd want that bullet to cut thru things. but as the video said, it also has less recoil.

 

[TidalWave]

Ok I’ll remember not to stop fast.

Bwahaha !
No please don’t !

 

[HansGruber]

I see a lot of interesting and well-informed comments along with a few that show that a few posters don't get the nuances of defensive shooting or shooting for hunting.

Modern bullet design has merely shifted the optimal bullet weight range down a bit. The "best" bullet weight continues to be the lightest that give adequate chances of incapacitation given a hit in the vital zone.

By adequate, we need to remember that a few seconds must elapse for faint/collapse even if the carotid artery and jugular veins are severed. As the expanded bullet size increases, the chances of severing significant blood vessels increase but the rate of increase decreases with expanded bullet size.

When we consider that the 45 hardball round was considered good for defensive shooting and that a modern 9mm bullet cuts a larger wound channel, we have an "aha" moment. Both are big enough that going bigger does not significantly increase the chances of quick incapacitation. BUT most shooters are more likely to HIT the vital zone when using a 9mm or a 380. The hit and wound channel argument thus favors the smaller bullet.

That is one of the reasons that smaller calibers with today's bullets are gaining interest. Nonetheless the 22 is not particularly interesting unless the shooter is not able to handle the recoil of a 39 or 9mm.

Now compare that 9mm wunderbullet with a .45 JHP that expands just as much as a percentage, and the .45 still makes a bigger hole.

Apples to apples, there is no replacement for displacement.

 

[HansGruber]

well i like Paul Harrell, and he has very good videos.

however, i do not believe that any of us are going to shoot the perp from the side, thru all that.

hopefully if we need to shoot to stop the threat, it's full on face to face.

yes, layers clothing still makes a difference but the bullet will not be traveling the long distance from the side, arm, side of ribs, to heart...

i dunno.....i just hope i DON'T have to shoot anyone, but glad i CAN if i have to.

Do you know what a “bladed” stance is?

To get to vitals (heart, etc—the high thoracic, where you have the best chance for a rapid stop), your shot will have to go through the arm, or the width of the chest at minimum.

If you think your assailant will oblige you with a perfectly squared shot, you may want to reconsider.