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Does Your Doctor Want To Disarm You?

My doctor needs to know of my carry habits and how frequently I go to the range if (s)he is treating me
for arthritis in my hand and wrists, carpo tunnel issues, hearing loss, or problems resulting from inhaling
fumes from the burning powder. My eye doctor might need to know to make sure he prescribes 20/20
instead of 20/30 lenses.
 
Being from Idaho, doctors usually don't ask. My general practitioner just retired and I have a new one that I have only seen once. I can tell you that if the topics of firearms ever comes up I'm not telling him anything and will seek a new doctor. Just like the FBI agent that goes to our church. Nice guy but in today political world I don't trust him. I play my cards close to my chest and don't speak to him about anything but church business. Embedded informants have been caught in the Catholic churches across the nation. I am sure it is no different for other religions... they just have not been caught at it. Sorry if this is too political... but the medical industry has not been friendly to gun owners or the 2nd amendment.
 
As a high school head principal in Clear Lake Texas (Houston is a near suburb) I often carried concealed even before the law. Few staff knew or commented. Once as I was watching studs getting on the busses in the pm a history teacher came up and put her arms around my waist feeling my Colt series 70. She looked up at me, raised he brows and smiled. She smiled at me often after that. I investigated and was shocked how many staff were closet gunners. Men and women. She was one (father’s Colt Cobra with hammer clipped.
 
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CCJ said:
Being from Idaho, doctors usually don't ask. My general practitioner just retired and I have a new one that I have only seen once. I can tell you that if the topics of firearms ever comes up I'm not telling him anything and will seek a new doctor. Just like the FBI agent that goes to our church. Nice guy but in today political world I don't trust him. I play my cards close to my chest and don't speak to him about anything but church business. Embedded informants have been caught in the Catholic churches across the nation. I am sure it is no different for other religions... they just have not been caught at it. Sorry if this is too political... but the medical industry has not been friendly to gun owners or the 2nd amendment.
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It’s a shame you feel that way at church. Find a different church. Around H town gun talk is prevalent. Monthly we have gun “shows” and thousands show up Saturday and Sunday pm. I bet most churches around here are well guarded. Even the thugs that go to church put out the word to their professional brethren. Come to church to pray. Don’t play. Got it?
 
Regulars1968 said:
It’s a shame you feel that way at church. Find a different church. Around H town gun talk is prevalent. Monthly ,we have gun “shows” and thousands show up Saturday and Sunday pm. I bet most churches around here are well guarded. Even the thugs that go to church put out the word to their professional brethren. Come to church to pray. Don’t play. Got it?
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Finding a different church may or may not solve the problem. Just like in the intel field, in many cases informants are not FBI agents but are sources cultivated by those agents. If they get a whiff of whatever is considered suspicious activity du jour you can bet someone will be embedded in the group. E.g., there was an informant in the Branch Davidian compound way before the raid took place. The Catholic Church of late has been a focus of the FBI for a while now as revealed in its statements made public recently. Or parent groups opposed to school board policies, or....you name it.
 
Regulars1968 said:
It’s a shame you feel that way at church. Find a different church. Around H town gun talk is prevalent. Monthly we have gun “shows” and thousands show up Saturday and Sunday pm. I bet most churches around here are well guarded. Even the thugs that go to church put out the word to their professional brethren. Come to church to pray. Don’t play. Got it?
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Church or no church I wouldn't be putting any trust in an FBI agent. And I say that as a guy with 3 family members who are current or retired FBI agents.
 
Cedric said:
Finding a different church may or may not solve the problem. Just like in the intel field, in many cases informants are not FBI agents but are sources cultivated by those agents. If they get a whiff of whatever is considered suspicious activity du jour you can bet someone will be embedded in the group. E.g., there was an informant in the Branch Davidian compound way before the raid took place. The Catholic Church of late has been a focus of the FBI for a while now as revealed in its statements made public recently. Or parent groups opposed to school board policies, or....you name it.
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In case no one has been paying attention or it slipped past you. The new buzz word/bugaboo is Christian Nationalism. Please take note that it is not WHITE Christian Nationalism, Implying racism, just C.N.
 
I have been a member of this church for many years and I know the people fairly well. It's better to keep the company you know then those you don't. The FBI agent moved into the area just two years ago. Honestly, he seems like a nice guy, but the way things are today it would not be a stretch at all to think that his peers in the FBI haven't asked him to "keep them appraised". They have built a database of gun owners and are now monitoring every firearms transfer and are trying desperately to shutdown private sales. There's only one reason to do this. The FBI has re-defined what a mass shooting is, and are excluding legally "permitted" firearms owners from self-protection shooting stats... all to skew the numbers. So I have to hold my local FBI church member as suspect. Sad I have to do that...
 
CCJ said:
I have been a member of this church for many years and I know the people fairly well. It's better to keep the company you know then those you don't. The FBI agent moved into the area just two years ago. Honestly, he seems like a nice guy, but the way things are today it would not be a stretch at all to think that his peers in the FBI haven't asked him to "keep them appraised". They have built a database of gun owners and are now monitoring every firearms transfer and are trying desperately to shutdown private sales. There's only one reason to do this. The FBI has re-defined what a mass shooting is, and are excluding legally "permitted" firearms owners from self-protection shooting stats... all to skew the numbers. So I have to hold my local FBI church member as suspect. Sad I have to do that...
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In my observations of my own family members and other federal agents I have been involved with over the years I have concluded that even the ones who aren't "Corrupt" ( which most of them are not truly corrupt) certainly view their position as above the law. My dad's cousin ( a female retired FBI agent) is significantly below my level of ability in rational thought and objective observation. She is the most arrogant person in any room she's in. Grossly overweight and literally has cited more than one movie as examples of the way the FBI operates, almost to the point of considering them objective sources. It's ridiculous. And frankly the other 2 are arrogant and mentally deficient by my standards. And let's face it, I am a pretty poor barometer for measuring level of intelligence. I can however string to gether a coherent rational opinion based on facts.
 
The only real issue I've ever had was that the exercise guy at the VA.

He knew that I was a security guard. He knew that I carried a gun at work. So he asked me a lot of technical questions about guns.

Maybe I misunderstood what he was saying but he also seemed very frequently imply that I must bring a gun with me to the VA.

Every time he did I stated very clearly that even having a gun in my car on the property would be a federal crime and that there was no way in the world I was going to risk my freedom and my VA benefits by bringing a gun anywhere near that facility.

He left in October and I haven't discussed Firearms with anybody at the VA Since
 
i had a doctor appoint today in fact. as i mentioned earlier, i leave my gun in my car.

well i go to sit down in the waiting room, and there was this tall sign in the corner about how there is a ZERO tolerance for violence and abuse towards health care workers, and how there will be no weapons or firearms allowed on the premises.

first time i saw that sign there, but then too, i hadn't been to that office since April.

sign was tall, like 6' worth
 
I worked in the medical field for about a year. My (minimal) experience in the medical field is that medical clinics are sausage factories.

I was never really connected to the business side of things but I got the distinct impression that most medical practices operate on a very thin profit margin. They want you in and out as fast as possible because the more patients they see the more money they make.

People have challenged me on that statement but in my (again minimal) experience a large portion of the money that any medical clinic takes in goes for medical malpractice insurance and for business expenses.

Most of the doctors I worked for were still paying off their student loans. Doctors aren't rich now like they used to be. HMOs are but Doctors aren't.

IME the last thing most medical practices want is for a patient to foul up the assembly line. If you present a unique problem they will deal with it in the most expedient manner possible with turning the room being the most important factor.

One of the clinics I worked in was an Orthopedic Surgeon under an HMO. He stayed double booked with a six week waiting list and a full standby list the entire time I worked there. He would deliberately double book each appointment slot. We were usually an hour behind before we were a half hour into our day. And he did it to make money.

I had a lady call one time demanding an appointment with the doctor. I told her we were fully booked for at least 6 weeks. I could get her the next available and put her on the waiting list but she was not going to be seeing the doctor for at least a month. She told me that if the doctor couldn't get her in that week she would take her business elsewhere. I had just told her The doctor was fully booked for six weeks. Did she really think we were going to notice losing her business?

If there was a problem patient the doctor gave notice (a doctor can't just fire a patient he/she is required to give them time to find a new provider) and dropped them.

My point is that if you insist on giving the doctor a ration about your Second Amendment rights his most likely response (regardless of his opinion of the second amendment) is going to be to drop you. If you tell him you'll take your business elsewhere he's going to say "OK" and his assistant will have a standby in your slot before you get your car started.

The three clinics I worked in tried to flip the room every 15 minutes. I've never seen a doctor start a conversation with a patient that wasn't exactly related to their visit.
 
az4783054 said:
AZ is very specific about where one is prohibited to carry a firearm, ie schools, secure police facility, some government buildings, voting, court, jail, and on site liquor consumption (a liquor control violation) if chooses to consume on site.

I see local hospitals that quote a specific AZ statute prohibiting bringing in a firearm inside. The statute says nothing about a hospital being a prohibited place, nor are banks or churches or doctors offices. Costco used to post a sign quoting the same statute. I pointed out the specific statute did not apply to Costco and the sign came down. Private property owners do have rights, can ask a person to leave if observed carrying a weapon onto the property. Refuse to comply and law enforcement may escort you off the private property or cite for trespass.

If a prohibition sign has a statute reference, read that statute carefully.
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Arizona ARS-4-229 is specific to on sale retailer (bars or any establishment where the majority of revenue is on sale liquor) as you note. The above link is a good read. Any other establishment that doesn't sell liquor and posts a sign referencing ARS-4-229 and you CC in such an establishment, you cannot be held in criminal violation of 4-229. However, if you don't leave when asked you are guilty of trespassing in accordance to ARS-13-1502.
Specifically, ARS-13-1502-A-1; Knowingly entering or remaining unlawfully on any real property after a reasonable request to leave by a law enforcement officer, the owner or any other person having lawful control over such property, or reasonable notice prohibiting entry.
The last part was a recent addition (when I don't recall) because the sign only had "No weapons - ARS-13-1502-A-1," which for all intent and purposes could be ignored until asked to leave. Individuals would CC onto such an establishment and only leave if confronted (i.e. "found out") and then asked to leave. To circumvent any problems the last part was added.
I am amused when a store, shop, office, what ever, has a sign referencing 4-229 and there's no liquor within miles of the place... I ignore those because the proprietors are advertising a "No Guns Here" location and I doubt they can prevent carnage. Those that refer ARS-13-1502 is a little tricky. Golf courses have these notices with a "If you choose to ignore... we will not be held liable...' type of verbiage.
 
The Night Rider said:
I worked in the medical field for about a year. My (minimal) experience in the medical field is that medical clinics are sausage factories.

I was never really connected to the business side of things but I got the distinct impression that most medical practices operate on a very thin profit margin. They want you in and out as fast as possible because the more patients they see the more money they make.

People have challenged me on that statement but in my (again minimal) experience a large portion of the money that any medical clinic takes in goes for medical malpractice insurance and for business expenses.

Most of the doctors I worked for were still paying off their student loans. Doctors aren't rich now like they used to be. HMOs are but Doctors aren't.

IME the last thing most medical practices want is for a patient to foul up the assembly line. If you present a unique problem they will deal with it in the most expedient manner possible with turning the room being the most important factor.

One of the clinics I worked in was an Orthopedic Surgeon under an HMO. He stayed double booked with a six week waiting list and a full standby list the entire time I worked there. He would deliberately double book each appointment slot. We were usually an hour behind before we were a half hour into our day. And he did it to make money.

I had a lady call one time demanding an appointment with the doctor. I told her we were fully booked for at least 6 weeks. I could get her the next available and put her on the waiting list but she was not going to be seeing the doctor for at least a month. She told me that if the doctor couldn't get her in that week she would take her business elsewhere. I had just told her The doctor was fully booked for six weeks. Did she really think we were going to notice losing her business?

If there was a problem patient the doctor gave notice (a doctor can't just fire a patient he/she is required to give them time to find a new provider) and dropped them.

My point is that if you insist on giving the doctor a ration about your Second Amendment rights his most likely response (regardless of his opinion of the second amendment) is going to be to drop you. If you tell him you'll take your business elsewhere he's going to say "OK" and his assistant will have a standby in your slot before you get your car started.

The three clinics I worked in tried to flip the room every 15 minutes. I've never seen a doctor start a conversation with a patient that wasn't exactly related to their visit.
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Couldn't agree more. I call it assembly line medicine. In/out here are some pills, see you next time. There have been a few exceptions to this but you are absolutely correct. I don't think I have ever been questioned on guns by a doctor in a private practice. If I have, it was a long time ago. However, when the family was going to a military clinic they routinely brought up the guns thing. It was the focus from the chain of command in the late 90s - early 2000s and it didn't matter if you were active duty or retired. If there is one thing OIF did in the medical commands it was tending to our wounded as they should be doing and getting retirees and families out to the civilian system. This had nothing to do with the fine care we had received, but not having to put up with the political BS was a big plus.
 
After serious consideration on this thread, I think the Dr’s want to disarm you due to the fact he is about to stick his finger where the sun don’t shine for the yearly physical .

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