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My EDC carry SIG 320 does not have an external safety. I prefer to carry this way. My LEO TRAINING started with a Revolver and then I transitioned to a Glock. Neither had external Safeties. I have other firearms(1911’s) that have external safeties but are not my EDC. When shooting my 1911’s I sometime forget to hit the safety. How important is it to you when purchasing a pistol to have a external safety.
 

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Annihilator said:
Long time Glock guy here as most already know, external safety, pass if I can, when I bought my Ruger Max-9, I got the pro version, no manual safety like my Glocks. My opinion, my finger is my safety and that’s all I should ever need.
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Same ☝️☝️. I prefer not to mix, so I leave them off safe if it has one. That way it’s always consistent in my EDC or home defense options If I ever have to use them. Of course 1911 and other hammer fired handguns I do kept on safe when loaded, but these I normally don’t carry nor have in my home defense rotation.
 
BET7 said:
Same ☝️☝️. I prefer not to mix, so I leave them off safe if it has one. That way it’s always consistent in my EDC or home defense options If I ever have to use them. Of course 1911 and other hammer fired handguns I do kept on safe when loaded, but these I normally don’t carry nor have in my home defense rotation.
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Double Same, I do not carry anything EDC that has an external safety.
 
I have carried 1911s in the past and hope to again some day. I also carry a Keltec PF 9 that has no safety of any kind. Not even a blade in the trigger. I have a few pistols that have blade safeties in the trigger and one , an XDs .45 with a backstrap safety.

Having a handgun with a safety isn't a deal breaker for me but I don't have to have one. The biggest safety I have is right between my ears.
 
Several years ago I accidentally engaged the safety on a Third Generation S&W during a defensive pistol class. Had it happened in an actual fight I'm positive I would have been dead by the time I figured out the malfunction. I sold all my TDA hand guns within a week and I've carried Glocks or M&Ps (depending on which security company I worked for ) ever since.
 
HansGruber said:
Carried 1911’s for years. Never missed the safety on the draw. When I carried Glocks, I’d find myself thumbing off the nonexistent safety…

It’s all in how you train. Parroting “it will get you killed” is utter nonsense.
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When at the range shooting my 1911's I draw (right thumb sitting on safety), acquire target, right thumb rides safety down then I fire. With my strikers I have the same sequence but my right thumb continues riding downward until coming to rest on the left.
 
I have carried a 1911 or Makarov for going on 25 years with Cpl, if you just count woods wandering bump that up to 40 plus years. Like Hans I actually find myself trying to thumb off the safety on the p365.

And no, I do not with a revolver, different feel.

I prefer a safety, is why I still am leaning towards replacing the P365xl striker, I prefer the safety snd hammer.
 
USMC1911 said:
My EDC carry SIG 320 does not have an external safety. I prefer to carry this way. My LEO TRAINING started with a Revolver and then I transitioned to a Glock. Neither had external Safeties. I have other firearms(1911’s) that have external safeties but are not my EDC. When shooting my 1911’s I sometime forget to hit the safety. How important is it to you when purchasing a pistol to have a external safety.
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It's more important not to have one. Unless it's a 1911.
 
Unless it's DAO or DA/SA it will have a safety. No half-cocked striker fired with only that little flapper thingy on the trigger for me. Yes carried a S&W M&P on duty for years, didn't have a choice. Like southtex I always swiped the non-existent thumb safety. Thats how I was trained all those years ago and didn't see any reason to break muscle memory for a fraction of a second of faster speed. Then I don't have a dog in the fight, 99% of my shooting is done with a wheel gun.
 
bc22wm said:
Unless it's DAO or DA/SA it will have a safety. No half-cocked striker fired with only that little flapper thingy on the trigger for me. Yes carried a S&W M&P on duty for years, didn't have a choice. Like southtex I always swiped the non-existent thumb safety. Thats how I was trained all those years ago and didn't see any reason to break muscle memory for a fraction of a second of faster speed. Then I don't have a dog in the fight, 99% of my shooting is done with a wheel gun.
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I sometimes think it would be nice to have a safety on the P30 so I could carry it locked and cocked, but I suspect I just think I would. In reality I would still carry it decocked and would just have the stupid lever on the side of the thing.
 
If one thinks they have to have a safety to be safe, they probably should get more training and education before they carry. Not trying to be mean just is what it is!

My journey was I started with a DA revolver then Beretta M9. In the USAF We carried the M9 with a round chambered on fire. We also learned how LA Sheriff’s Department carried theirs on safe but did that 1911 type downward thumb swipe and the safety went to fire.

Had a 1911 for a run gun then got an Sig 220 had no issues going to a DA/SA with a De Cock and sort of like that design.

Have also used DAO Rugers and Berettas as a duty gun as well as Glock and now an HK 45 LEM.

I have shot enough of everything a safety doesn’t matter. And while Stiker fired guns are hard to beat. They are sort of the Smith K frames of the last few decades my preference just because I like how they shoot is DA Revolvers. HK LEM Sig P series and 1911’s the DAO Beretta M9’s were ok, the Rugers well everyone needs a boat anchor!

Shoot a couple matches. If you find yourself with a dead trigger or sluggish times to first shot because of the safety either put in the practice or look at something without a safety! But simply “feeling safe” because of a safety won’t help you when you need it!
 
HansGruber said:
Carried 1911’s for years. Never missed the safety on the draw. When I carried Glocks, I’d find myself thumbing off the nonexistent safety…

It’s all in how you train. Parroting “it will get you killed” is utter nonsense.
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I totally agree. Before my neck surgery(2015) I carried a 1911 and had done so since the late 1970's. I never had a problem disengaging the safety under stress.

Nowadays I don't carry 1911s and have moved on to Glocks and other similar type handguns. I train more now than I used to because I have the time. (I'm retired.)

I'm not one to sit around watching television. I enjoy training (Empty hand and weapons(knives, Jo staff) in Martial Arts and with my firearms using snap caps.). When I get a new holster that I'm going to use daily, I'll focus on training with that set up several times a day until it becomes instinctive.

I'll be the first to agree that the biggest safety is one we have between our ears. And also that good training for short periods a few times each day builds muscle memory that makes us efficient which helps our action/reaction times.

Know thyself. Know thy gear. Keep It Simple Stupid...:) Practice. Practice. Practice.
 
Safety on all but one, a S&W that will soon get one thanks to @USMC6094 for giving me the idea ;)

I see no problem with it, some states require it, and it's part of training. MAS50 had it, PAMAS G1 had it, never been a problem. Back in the days the orders were even "empty chamber and safety on" :eek:

Not having one doesn't bother me, but like @HansGruber said, while using a handgun without one there is always this awkward "thumb grabbing at nothing" moment...
 
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