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First Look: The New Springfield Armory TRP Series

ECS686 said:
If one wants all steel parts it’s $3,500 or so and Called the Professional!

I get the resistance to MIM parts however todays MIMs are not the same as they were in the late 1980’s and 90’s. 9mm performance Isn’t the only thing that has improved.

Like people claiming K frames just got shot to death with 357 mag. Or the Beretta M9 had slides flying if (which no more than 10 did out of an initial batch is 300,000 guns but to hear people talk)

Most mortal shooters outside Jerry Miculik aren’t going to shoot a MIM part gun of tid aye build quality to death before normal replacement intervals
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Again, I don’t care.

If Dan Wesson can make non-MIM 1911’s that are as good if not better quality than the TRP, there’s no good reason Springfield can’t.

Honestly, at $2k, you can find a gently used Baer, Wilson, or Brown…hell, I just paid considerably less than that for a LNIB Wilson SFX9.

In short—the TRP ain’t a $2k gun, and the MIM parts just confirms it.
 
There was a GAO report in the late 80's that highlighted 14 failures where the slide fractured during testing where several people were injured. The manufacturer claimed it was due to over pressured ammunition, but the Army said it was metal fatigue. The Army stopped procurement until it was resolved and Beretta went back to the drawing board to fix the problem. Reportedly the slide failure problem was solved. A tab was added to keep the rear of the slide from coming off if it broke. I have not seen any reports one way or another of slide failures since then. I did read a report done by Army ordnance people who followed troops in combat during the Iraq invasion in 2003. There were complaints about the M9's performance but seemed to be over magazine failures. BTW in that report the troops liked the M2 .50 cal best.

I carried an M9 for about a year and trained and qualified with it in the USAF Reserve before we received the SIG M11. I found the M9 to be a very accurate pistol but a real challenge for some of our smaller framed folks to conceal. I have a Brigadier, but don't shoot it much.
 
Bassbob said:
Well the Beretta M9 thing isn't true. Unless I am an anomaly since I know two people who have experienced it. One while he was in Iraq during Desert Storm. The odds of me knowing 2 of the 9 are pretty slim.
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Were they SEALs? They were the ones who used hot rounds and blew apart slides, which Beretta did then fix the design/metalurgy.
 
Good thing HK and Glock don’t use MIM, if they did their pistols wouldn’t be legendarily reliable. Except of course both manufacturers do indeed use mim parts. MIM parts are a boogeyman. If you don’t want them that’s fine but it’s silly to think they don’t belong in a sub $2k 1911. A $3k Wilson? A $2500 Staccato? At that point your paying for premium parts but sub $2k where the TRP is firmly located there is no option as well done for the same price.

It’s not 2010 guys, times to move on.
 
Jedi391 said:
Good thing HK and Glock don’t use MIM, if they did their pistols wouldn’t be legendarily reliable. Except of course both manufacturers do indeed use mim parts. MIM parts are a boogeyman. If you don’t want them that’s fine but it’s silly to think they don’t belong in a sub $2k 1911. A $3k Wilson? A $2500 Staccato? At that point your paying for premium parts but sub $2k where the TRP is firmly located there is no option as well done for the same price.

It’s not 2010 guys, times to move on.
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Dan Wesson 1911’s have no MIM parts, and is under $2k.

And they are just as high quality, if not higher, than a TRP.
 
HayesGreener said:
Glocks are cheap
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Jedi391 said:
Good thing HK and Glock don’t use MIM, if they did their pistols wouldn’t be legendarily reliable. Except of course both manufacturers do indeed use mim parts. MIM parts are a boogeyman. If you don’t want them that’s fine but it’s silly to think they don’t belong in a sub $2k 1911. A $3k Wilson? A $2500 Staccato? At that point your paying for premium parts but sub $2k where the TRP is firmly located there is no option as well done for the same price.

It’s not 2010 guys, times to move on.
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Hate to break it to you, Glock does use MIM, locking blocks are now MIM, just a FYI. They made the switch if I am correct on the Gen 4’s. If MIM is done right, no issues, but if you want trigger work on them, gotta be careful not to file it stone to deep, only surfaced hardened, all S&W, Colt and Taurus recover have MIM internals.
 
Annihilator said:
Hate to break it to you, Glock does use MIM, locking blocks are now MIM, just a FYI. They made the switch if I am correct on the Gen 4’s. If MIM is done right, no issues, but if you want trigger work on them, gotta be careful not to file it stone to deep, only surfaced hardened, all S&W, Colt and Taurus recover have MIM internals.
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Annihilator said:
Hate to break it to you, Glock does use MIM, locking blocks are now MIM, just a FYI. They made the switch if I am correct on the Gen 4’s. If MIM is done right, no issues, but if you want trigger work on them, gotta be careful not to file it stone to deep, only surfaced hardened, all S&W, Colt and Taurus recover have MIM internals.
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Might want to read the whole comment before replying.
 
HansGruber said:
Dan Wesson 1911’s have no MIM parts, and is under $2k.

And they are just as high quality, if not higher, than a TRP.
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The TRP equivalent in the Dan Wesson line is either the Specialist or the Valor. Find me a one of those with the black finish, not just bare stainless for less than $2k. In the meantime I can get you a new TRP for under $1300 without a rail and mid 1500’s for the top line rail model. If you watch Hilton Yam’s channel you’ll see that he had a specialist with some issues but his last Operator, MIM parts and all was a grade performer. Hilton also mentioned Springfield is putting out the best 1911’s they ever have right now, meanwhile Dan Wesson has dropped much of their lineup (Vigil anyone?) and seems to be fading.
 
Jedi391 said:
The TRP equivalent in the Dan Wesson line is either the Specialist or the Valor. Find me a one of those with the black finish, not just bare stainless for less than $2k. In the meantime I can get you a new TRP for under $1300 without a rail and mid 1500’s for the top line rail model. If you watch Hilton Yam’s channel you’ll see that he had a specialist with some issues but his last Operator, MIM parts and all was a grade performer. Hilton also mentioned Springfield is putting out the best 1911’s they ever have right now, meanwhile Dan Wesson has dropped much of their lineup (Vigil anyone?) and seems to be fading.
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Again:

Replacing proper tool steel parts in a 1911 with MIM is not an improvement to the design.
 
HansGruber said:
Again:

Replacing proper tool steel parts in a 1911 with MIM is not an improvement to the design.
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Agreed, but it’s really not a negative either with modern parts done correctly. One of the forums out there has followed an MC Operator used by an instructor that’s north of 100k rounds. It had some frame rail cracks that were fixed and a barrel replacement, but all those dreaded MIM parts really haven’t been an issue because this really isn’t much of an issue anymore. For a while Wilson used a number of MIM and cast parts on the CQB. Bill Wilson said at the time that it really wasn’t an issue but people were upset by it so he made the standard CQB MIM free (and raised the price accordingly). It’s not 2007, this just isn’t an issue unless it’s a personal thing that bothers you, which is fine, we all have personal preferences.
 
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