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Glock 17 the best home defense handgun?

SoNic said:
Also... I think that Glocks are not infallible, just have a lot of fanaticism... owners bought them because they were cheap and then try to cover that mentally and pretend they bought them because they are "infallible".
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Nobody said Glocks didn’t make any mistakes or mess up. I don’t know anyone that buys a Glock because of its looks, it’s curves , the way it glimmers. They are a reasonably priced, reliable and accurate sidearm with a huge aftermarket, just like Honda or Dodge.

Like Hans said when you get SOF involved into what sidearm they want to carry, that carriers more weight than what’s standard issue for basic combat. Like I said, not bashing other companies, as a owner of SA, S&W amongst others, I like and shoot them all well.
 
And—on Glocks.

There is a reason that the Glock pattern—polymer, striker, large capacity—is pretty much produced by every major handgun manufacturer. So, give 'em credit...but also acknowledge, they didn't really come up with anything new; HK came up with the first widebody polymer striker 9mm with their VP70; the trigger safety was on JP Sauer pistols in the 1930’s...Glock just combined a lot of existing designs and found they could be made reliable and cheap, and the Austrian army bought them. The rest is history.

I'm not a Glock fanboy; I’ve owned a lot of them, sure, and at one point, I think they probably were the best thing going in their class, yes...but not anymore. They rested on their laurels with the Gen3’s for far too long and got out innovated, and were too slow to react...although I do think they still make the best doublestack polymer striker .45 going in the G21/41, in my experience. But in 9mm, where the money is at? They lost the edge.

Personally, and with hands-on experience with examples of the type from Glock, Springfield, S&W, CZ, HK, Walther, Sig, Beretta, FN, Canik...I know there’s others, but I’ll be damned if they come to mind right now...if anyone were to ask me what polymer, doublestack, 9mm full-size to buy?

The HK VP9. Hands down.

It has the complete package; optics ready, 17rd capacity, an excellent trigger out of the box, and a fully adaptable grip with 27 different configurations. You can even choose between a paddle or button mag release.

But, at the end of the day...it all boils down to this:

What do YOU shoot best?

If it's a Glock, get a Glock. If it's an XD, get an XD. If it's a VP9...

Get the picture?

And don’t get your knickers twisted about what some interwebs yayhoo who couldn’t shoot his way out of a wet paper sack (as a suspect the author of the article that got this whole kerfuffle started) says.
 
HansGruber said:
And—on Glocks.

There is a reason that the Glock pattern—polymer, striker, large capacity—is pretty much produced by every major handgun manufacturer. So, give 'em credit...but also acknowledge, they didn't really come up with anything new; HK came up with the first widebody polymer striker 9mm with their VP70; the trigger safety was on JP Sauer pistols in the 1930’s...Glock just combined a lot of existing designs and found they could be made reliable and cheap, and the Austrian army bought them. The rest is history.

I'm not a Glock fanboy; I’ve owned a lot of them, sure, and at one point, I think they probably were the best thing going in their class, yes...but not anymore. They rested on their laurels with the Gen3’s for far too long and got out innovated, and were too slow to react...although I do think they still make the best doublestack polymer striker .45 going in the G21/41, in my experience. But in 9mm, where the money is at? They lost the edge.

Personally, and with hands-on experience with examples of the type from Glock, Springfield, S&W, CZ, HK, Walther, Sig, Beretta, FN, Canik...I know there’s others, but I’ll be damned if they come to mind right now...if anyone were to ask me what polymer, doublestack, 9mm full-size to buy?

The HK VP9. Hands down.

It has the complete package; optics ready, 17rd capacity, an excellent trigger out of the box, and a fully adaptable grip with 27 different configurations. You can even choose between a paddle or button mag release.

But, at the end of the day...it all boils down to this:

What do YOU shoot best?

If it's a Glock, get a Glock. If it's an XD, get an XD. If it's a VP9...

Get the picture?

And don’t get your knickers twisted about what some interwebs yayhoo who couldn’t shoot his way out of a wet paper sack (as a suspect the author of the article that got this whole kerfuffle started) says.
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I second your opinion of the VP9. I effin' love this thing.
 
HayesGreener said:
Most of the malfunctions I see in my courses is due to bad (underpowered) ammo, poor gun maintenance, and shooter error. There is one make of gun that has malfunctioned on my range more than all the others combined to an extent that I won't allow them on my range any more.

And of course, everyone agrees that Fords are far superior to Chevrolets. 😁
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Fords better then Chevy.....you get hit on your head by to many cases?.....🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
SoNic said:
That would imply that other guns are not reliable somehow.
I have run 300-400 rounds trough my Hellcat and 200 trough my Sig P365XL and I didn't have a malfunction due to the gun. Zero. Yes I hit the magazine eject button by mistake on the Hellcat (grip small for my hand, added a sleeve) and I kept resting my thumb on the slide locking lever on Sig (so slide wan't locked after last round). Oh, well, that's why I practice.
I shoot them with one hand, strong and weak hand.

My personal impressions of why I didn't bought a Glock:
I could not acquire naturally targets with a Glock, kept pointing up first and had to adjust. Grip is cheap and slippery. Bad sights. No trigger under cut for support hand. Take-down button is a joke. Lastly, that blocky rail seemed to be harder to conceal and harder to draw.

Also... I think that Glocks are not infallible, just have a lot of fanaticism... owners bought them because they were cheap and then try to cover that mentally and pretend they bought them because they are "infallible".
Like a guy that bought an old Honda Civic because it was cheap and after that claim he bought it because that's a race car. Adds lowered suspension and raked wheels, loud "turbo" exhaust pipe, intake stickers on the hood, a subwoofer to rattle doors.
Kind of what happens with the Glock mods out there - market is full of them (50% or more of mods are for Glocks) for a reason. People don't like how they are, and the latent buyer remorse is manifested by mods.

YT if full of Glocks stovepiping and instructions "how to fix stovepiping" or "ejection fix". Just search...
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I do not imply that others, except a few low end junk guns, are not reliable. There are handguns I would choose before Glock for myself. The subject here was Glock, and that is where my comment was directed. I agree that no handguns are infallible, especially in the hands of novice shooters, poor ammo, and poor maintenance.
 

IS GLOCK 17 THE BEST HOME DEFENSE HANDGUN?​


i don't know if it IS the best, but mine is set and poised to do damage.

as well as my Glock G-30, as an either-or gun.

i have now in my collection/arsenal, 3 Glocks, the newest one is the G44, for training a family member, which started today in fact.

my other guns are CZ's, Dan Wessons, Smith & Wesson, Colt Python, Korth Mongoose, Hellcat, and soon a S&W EZ .380, for training that family member at a later time.

my reasoning for using the Glock(s) for home defense, are for me, where i live, quite simple.

if i have a shooting, the cops will arrest me, seize my gun, make all sorts of markings on it, and if i am lucky, to be found using justified force for self/home defense, i "might" get my Glock back, albeit all marred up by the police. hell, it may even be rendered junk after that.

why would i want to use a cheap gun, that may or may not function when i need it?

my Glocks cost me from $450 to $650, depending on when they were purchased before or during the pandemic mad rush to buy guns.

i made no rash decisions to buy ANY of the listed guns that i have. it's a well thought out process i go thru, I DO NOT buy for the sake of having, or a need ......but for wanting......quite a bit of a difference.

Glocks are as dependable as can be, as so many other WELL BUILT firearms. am i a Glock fan boy with 3 Glocks?

does anyone think i really give a crap if i am labeled one?????

the grip angle is adaptable, to me anyone that says they cannot "get the grip angle", simply to me, just does not like Glock for any number of reasons, and uses the "grip complaint" as the main reason.
 
Old_Me said:

IS GLOCK 17 THE BEST HOME DEFENSE HANDGUN?​


i don't know if it IS the best, but mine is set and poised to do damage.

as well as my Glock G-30, as an either-or gun.

i have now in my collection/arsenal, 3 Glocks, the newest one is the G44, for training a family member, which started today in fact.

my other guns are CZ's, Dan Wessons, Smith & Wesson, Colt Python, Korth Mongoose, Hellcat, and soon a S&W EZ .380, for training that family member at a later time.

my reasoning for using the Glock(s) for home defense, are for me, where i live, quite simple.

if i have a shooting, the cops will arrest me, seize my gun, make all sorts of markings on it, and if i am lucky, to be found using justified force for self/home defense, i "might" get my Glock back, albeit all marred up by the police. hell, it may even be rendered junk after that.

why would i want to use a cheap gun, that may or may not function when i need it?

my Glocks cost me from $450 to $650, depending on when they were purchased before or during the pandemic mad rush to buy guns.

i made no rash decisions to buy ANY of the listed guns that i have. it's a well thought out process i go thru, I DO NOT buy for the sake of having, or a need ......but for wanting......quite a bit of a difference.

Glocks are as dependable as can be, as so many other WELL BUILT firearms. am i a Glock fan boy with 3 Glocks?

does anyone think i really give a crap if i am labeled one?????

the grip angle is adaptable, to me anyone that says they cannot "get the grip angle", simply to me, just does not like Glock for any number of reasons, and uses the "grip complaint" as the main reason.
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So...if all you have is that Mongoose at hand when things go sideways, you just won't use it because it cost too much?

Personally, I don't care if I have to use my SP89 which would run over $6k to replace...my life is worth it.
 
HansGruber said:
So...if all you have is that Mongoose at hand when things go sideways, you just won't use it because it cost too much?

Personally, I don't care if I have to use my SP89 which would run over $6k to replace...my life is worth it.
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i guess you do not understand the English i speak...do you need lessons in comprehension..???

my Glocks, the G17 and the back up G30, are set and poised for my home defense.

all my other guns are stored

and that Korth Mongoose, cost me just north of $6 grand as well. wanna play a game of price comparisons now..???


what part of what i said in the beginning about MY HOME DEFENSE GUNS, did you not understand..????
 
Old_Me said:
i guess you do not understand the English i speak...

my Glocks, the G17 and the back up G30, are set and poised for my home defense.

all my other guns are stored

and that Korth Mongoose, cost me just north of $6 grand as well. wanna play a game of price comparisons now..???


what part of what i said in the beginning about MY HOME DEFENSE GUNS, did you not understand..????
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Yes, I understand.

What you don’t get is life doesn’t always go according to plan, do—would you use that expensive gun?

It's the mindset of “I own a Ferrari, but I will only drive a Honda because I might get in an accident”.

Except, of course, anyone smart enough to stop and do the math would point out that the odds of getting in an accident are orders of magnitude higher than using a firearm for defense...

Oh...and if you REALLY want to haul out that tape measure, let me know. Firearms are one of my retirement funds, I’ve been doing it for a while...I’ve got some interesting stuff. That SP89 is near my top end, but some of the 1st generation Colts have it beat quite nicely.
 
it's my retirement funding as well.....

now you wanna measure each of our "privates"..???

that's what your message amounts to.

have a good retirement, you are ignored now.
 
Old_Me said:

IS GLOCK 17 THE BEST HOME DEFENSE HANDGUN?​


i don't know if it IS the best, but mine is set and poised to do damage.

as well as my Glock G-30, as an either-or gun.

i have now in my collection/arsenal, 3 Glocks, the newest one is the G44, for training a family member, which started today in fact.

my other guns are CZ's, Dan Wessons, Smith & Wesson, Colt Python, Korth Mongoose, Hellcat, and soon a S&W EZ .380, for training that family member at a later time.

my reasoning for using the Glock(s) for home defense, are for me, where i live, quite simple.

if i have a shooting, the cops will arrest me, seize my gun, make all sorts of markings on it, and if i am lucky, to be found using justified force for self/home defense, i "might" get my Glock back, albeit all marred up by the police. hell, it may even be rendered junk after that.

why would i want to use a cheap gun, that may or may not function when i need it?

my Glocks cost me from $450 to $650, depending on when they were purchased before or during the pandemic mad rush to buy guns.

i made no rash decisions to buy ANY of the listed guns that i have. it's a well thought out process i go thru, I DO NOT buy for the sake of having, or a need ......but for wanting......quite a bit of a difference.

Glocks are as dependable as can be, as so many other WELL BUILT firearms. am i a Glock fan boy with 3 Glocks?

does anyone think i really give a crap if i am labeled one?????

the grip angle is adaptable, to me anyone that says they cannot "get the grip angle", simply to me, just does not like Glock for any number of reasons, and uses the "grip complaint" as the main reason.
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Not the case with me. I really wanted to love a Glock. I like the way they look and everything I've heard about them. I went specifically to buy one. I tried 5 or 6 of them, including the 17. They just don't feel right in my hand and I don't see the point in adjusting myself to something I don't like.
 
Bassbob said:
Not the case with me. I really wanted to love a Glock. I like the way they look and everything I've heard about them. I went specifically to buy one. I tried 5 or 6 of them, including the 17. They just don't feel right in my hand and I don't see the point in adjusting myself to something I don't like.
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This is actually how I feel about the XD series...just swap the “felt right in my hand” to “don’t shoot well for me”.

I can pick up most other pistols and run it fine, but not an XD. Not sure exactly what it is, if it’s the trigger, or what, exactly...but the interface just isn’t there.
 
I can't tell if the author is serious, or is just having fun. The Glock 17 is a fine pistol, but most of the benefits the author points out are either completely subjective or are shared by numerous other firearms. The grip and the way it fits the hand depends as much on the hand as it does the gun. As far as capacity and reliability are concerned; Springfield, Walther, S&W, Beretta, H&K, Sig Sauer (and others I'm forgetting) all make reliable handguns with similar or greater capacity. If you don't live in a free state, the capacity argument goes out the window.

Trying to declare something to be the "Best Home Defense Weapon" is like trying to declare something the "Best Dessert" or "Best Alcoholic Beverage". Personal preference will play a huge part in determining the answer, so there can never be a universal answer. Articles like this are fun conversation starters, but I never take them too seriously.
 
I think we see this often in several articles on how a writer writes on a subject. With so many excellent options out there to choose from and the difference in male/female and hand size there is something for everyone. These companies realize this and have even added backstraps to interchange with their pistols to fit ones hand. This wasn’t an option years back. I can understand one saying this doesn’t “feel” right or good in my hand compared to X gun. But to go after a Glock for looks is silly. I think the M&P 2.0 is a better “looking” pistol. I don’t buy on looks or I’d have a safe full of Wilson Combats or Ed Browns. HK offers better looking pistols and some of their offering I would choose over Glock depending on which situation I was getting in.

The article was in fun, for those I have seen posting their Glocks. I’m happy with mine just like I am with my other firearms.
 
When I first saw the Glock handgun advertised many moons ago I was very intrigued by them. I didn't buy one until 1999 but once I did, I was very impressed. I had previously been shooting IDPA with a H&K USP .45 ACP. It was a monster of a handgun, expensive and to be honest, I wasn't very good with it. I practiced with it a lot but during IDPA competitions, I just didn't seem to be very accurate with it. A guy at IDPA that I got to know let me use his Glock 21 one Saturday during and IDPA and I ended up doing very well with it without even having practiced with it at all. So, I went and bought one, which started my liking for Glocks. For years, I shot nothing but Glocks . I have a Gen 3 Glock 22 .40 call that I have semi-retired to my zombie apocalypse bug out bag but it's there for a reason. As the years went by I began to expand my horizons and started noticing that there were several handguns out there that felt better in my hand than a Glock did. SA, S&W, Taurus, and my latest affinity, CZ all were making very nice handguns that felt very good and were also very reliable. I've come full circle with Glocks. My G22 .40 cal was retired, not because it malfunctioned, or that I don't like it anymore. It's body of work speaks for itself. I bought it in June of 2000. I honestly don't know how many rounds have been put thru it, I stopped counting at around 2k rounds and that was mainly due to IDPA shooting, you go thru a lot of ammo. But, for years and years, it was my go to handgun to take to the range, to shoot IDPA, or to just meet up with friends and plink with. I have never had a FTF or FTE malfunction in all that time, not once. I've put the best ammo and the cheapest bargain bin ammo you can think of thru the thing and it just refused not to go bang. I kept it cleaned after each session of shooting, I'm a bit OCD about that, so maybe that was why it's never failed on me. As I said, I just felt my G22 had served me well. It's a tank, and if I had to bug out to the mountains, I'd feel perfectly safe taking it with me. It's completely stock except for the sights. So, I do think there is something to Glocks as far as their reliability. I have owned several firearms but none of them have as long as I've owned that particular Glock 22.

The last few years, as I've gotten older, I'm moved away from Glocks as ergonomics, better stock sights, and other factors have become more important. My Smith and Wesson Shield .45ACP feels like an extension of my right hand when I shoot it. My CZ P10C is the most accurate out of the box 9mm handgun I've ever shot. My Taurus G2C is perfect for concealed carry. Glocks don't seem fit my hand as well as they once seemed to. I prefer a slimmer grip on my handguns now. This could be because of a multitude of factors. Both shoulders are bad now from a fall injury a few years ago, so it's a bit painful when I extend my arms to shoot now. But, besides all that, I've learned over the years there is a world of handguns outside of Glock. I don't consider myself a Glock fanboy or anything like that, but I will definitely recommend them if someone is looking for a handgun when they really don't know what they want. Do I think Glocks are the end all, be all of handguns? Certainly not. Do I think they are completely infallible? Of course not, all handguns have the potential to malfunction, as all machines do. But, would I trust a Glock handgun strapped to my side or concealed to fire without error in an emergency situation? Yes I would. Would I recommend Glock pistols? Most definitely, as I have to my father and my nephew, both of them looking for a handgun that affordable and reliable. My dad carries a Glock 30 and my nephew a Glock 23, both of which I went with them to make the purchase. Myself? I'm quite content carrying my S&W Shield 45ACP and my nightstand handgun is a SA XD Mod 2 .45ACP. Not Glocks, but I know the location of a Glock 22, a bit long in the tooth and fired thousands of times, but still ready for action if any of those pesky zombies come shambling around the corner of my block.
 
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