Lawyer dies after his hidden gun goes off during MRI scan
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Old_Me
SAINT
being a Vet, you got a discount for sure. the going rate when i was on workman's comp was $5,000 with or without the dye.
my niece went for an MRI, she got hit with a $5,000 bill...!!
but the health insurance finally paid that, in fact, she was sent the bill in error.
these instances were like at least 6 years ago for me, maybe about 7-8 years ago for my niece, so imagine to current costs today?
wolfpack076
Professional
Speaking of warning labels... Ever notice the ones on new pillows ? Under penalty of law do not remove. Who enforces that ? Also there is a warning label on Preparation H that indicates to not take orally so that tells me somewhere some "professor" actually did that ? Makes ya wonder.
Old_Me
SAINT
the lawyers, for the pillow industry, and rear-end medications make up those warning labels. so that some dumarse, doesn't confuse his mouth, with his..........butthole, for lack of what i wanna say
WellArmed
Master Class
Tough crowd.... The guy, who was a law abiding gun owning citizen like us, simply forgot he had his gun on him. It happens and he's was human like the rest of us. That clearly doesn't make him am idiot or is cause for us snickering at his death. I am sure he had a wife, children, friends, coworkers, and others who are affected by this. Now if he was playing with his gun, or put his finger on the trigger, etc, then in that case I'd agree with you all.
Also, if it weren't for lawyers, a lot of the 2A protection we have now wouldn't exist, so there's that.
Also, if it weren't for lawyers, a lot of the 2A protection we have now wouldn't exist, so there's that.
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WellArmed
Master Class
I am use to having pepper spray and a small knife on my key chain that I don't even think about pay attention anymore. I've walked up to the metal detected a couple of times at the court house, took my keys out to sit them on the belt, and only then did it dawn. I had to go back and put it in my vehicle... It happens subconsciously especially when you have a routine.
The issue with a lot of folks being in the tough crowd category is this.
When anything comes out line story people immediately make their own (usually) premature conclusions BEFORE all acts are out (media is good at writing it so folks as their own ending)
Or more disappointing is many many people have become disillusioned that nothing bad will ever happen to them. A bad attack won’t happen because I chose this EDC and equipment or I live in This neighborhood or I’m smarter because I watch this news outlet or I won’t ever get old and have X,Y,Z ailment because that happens to other people etc etc.
So if folks could quit throwing stones that’d be great!
rmc51
Master Class
If you simply forget you had a gun on you, then maybe you should not be carrying one.
If it weren't for lawyers, we wouldn't need a 2A and to have lawyers working on protecting that 2A. I thought that it was a God given right, then why do we need/have lawyers???
Then when the pompous lawyers that think that they are worth $400, $800, $1000+ an hour screw up, kill themselves, Yea I'm going to applaud and laugh at their stupidness.
powerboatr
Professional
yep forgetting your carrying is not an OPTION.
bad things happen when we forget or loose focus with firearms. period
does not matter if he is a lawyer or any other profession.
its on your person..hmm you should know its there.
if had been in his car and he forgot it was in a glove box, yup i could see it
but ON his person????
bad things happen when we forget or loose focus with firearms. period
does not matter if he is a lawyer or any other profession.
its on your person..hmm you should know its there.
if had been in his car and he forgot it was in a glove box, yup i could see it
but ON his person????
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nmedge
Guest
Maybe he was carrying a Sig and it went off on its own?
Recusant
Hellcat
Guns are brought into other restricted places besides a MRI. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) officers found a record number of firearms inside passengers' carry-on luggage last year, with 88% of those weapons loaded, according to the agency. TSA found 6,542 firearms at security checkpoints at 262 different airports in 2022. That number is 10% higher than the 5,972 firearms seized from travelers in 2021.
Area52
Professional
Brazil wants to be totally gun-free now and leave it to a lawyer to set an example.
Unfortunate for him and Brazil isn’t exactly a crime free utopia.
Should have been better protocol by the clinician and since he was accompanying his mother for the exam, I’m not sure if he was fully aware or should have even been allowed to be in the same room as the MRI device.
Those MRI have a tremendous magnetic pull but certainly had to have the right conditions to draw back either the hammer or trigger. Mechanically, a powerful magnet could pull the trigger back firearm, but most of the metal is in the slide and barrel and would be the first to be pulled into the magnet. Being his gun was in the pocket, the handgun grip was likely upright, clothing said to have been tangled such.
So I had to look it up…for pull strength, a fridge magnet is 100 gauss. A stronger utility neodymium magnet can range up to 5,000 gauss. An MRI is 30,000 gauss, and at 3 ft away, a metal object can easily be pulled from a persons hand by an MRI in operation.
Went for an upper body cat scan (different from MRI) but the lab tech made sure I didn’t have any metal on so there wouldn’t be any interference. Had to lower my pants due to the zipper, even though I was it was a nylon type, the small pull tab was metal.
Simple reminder - if there’s a chance a magnetometer is involved - don’t CC.
Unfortunate for him and Brazil isn’t exactly a crime free utopia.
Should have been better protocol by the clinician and since he was accompanying his mother for the exam, I’m not sure if he was fully aware or should have even been allowed to be in the same room as the MRI device.
Those MRI have a tremendous magnetic pull but certainly had to have the right conditions to draw back either the hammer or trigger. Mechanically, a powerful magnet could pull the trigger back firearm, but most of the metal is in the slide and barrel and would be the first to be pulled into the magnet. Being his gun was in the pocket, the handgun grip was likely upright, clothing said to have been tangled such.
So I had to look it up…for pull strength, a fridge magnet is 100 gauss. A stronger utility neodymium magnet can range up to 5,000 gauss. An MRI is 30,000 gauss, and at 3 ft away, a metal object can easily be pulled from a persons hand by an MRI in operation.
Went for an upper body cat scan (different from MRI) but the lab tech made sure I didn’t have any metal on so there wouldn’t be any interference. Had to lower my pants due to the zipper, even though I was it was a nylon type, the small pull tab was metal.
Simple reminder - if there’s a chance a magnetometer is involved - don’t CC.
powerboatr
Professional
i bet 99% of those are on purpose. but then again, when i worked for the army we got caught all the time with explosive EMPTY spray cans in our training gear . TSA climbing in our business over an inert can with holes in it
still no excuse to enter secured area of airport carrying, BIG GIANT signs remind you its a no no...
Area52
Professional
As far as TSA and signs go, this guy abided the signage but….
cwbchicago.com
Man mistakenly took a gun to O'Hare, stashed it on an I-beam before entering security checkpoint, prosecutors say
A Texas man who mistakenly took a gun to Chicago's O'Hare International Airport on January 11 decided to stash the weapon on an I-beam before passing through security, intending to retrieve it when he returned from his trip, prosecutors said Tuesday.
cwbchicago.com
I doubt it people are absent minded these days and it’s all ages not just the youngsters.
And it’s not just a firearm how many times in recent years has a kid been left in a car compared to back in the 70’s 80’s and 90’s
Why we bow live in an age where even our vehicle has to remind us to check the back seat for contents!
Keystone19250
SAINT
God had nothing to do with it.
rmc51
Master Class
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"Rights that are god-given" is the phrase that has been used to describe our constitutional rights from the very start of our country and constitution. It has been used for some 250 years.
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