Michigan School Shooting

[BreakingWind]

My trophy wife and I are usually in agreement of most items 2A but completely disagree on this. By only using the information that has been published to date I think that the shooter's parents are really bad horrible parents, but that does not justify them being charged with 4 counts of involuntary manslaughter. There are charges that I am sure the case can be made for against them in this tragedy but IMHO that is not the charge.

 

[Ranger715]

Manslaughter means causing someone's death due to some negligent act or omission. That would seem an appropriate charge, depending on what the parents did or didn't do, compared to what they should have done or not done. I have no faith that reporting on the matter will give an accurate picture of what really happened (with regard to the parental responsibility), so I will withhold judgement.

 

[SimonRL]

You don’t have to be a mystery writer to read between the lines and see what a freak show this family is. Nothing they have done from the moment they bought this gun to just being apprehended says they are on the up and up. If they had bought this underage minor beers and let him get hammered and gave him the keys to the car there is no doubt they would have vehicular manslaughter charges on them. They’re going to do time.

 

[Keystone19250]

This is another tragedy that should NOT have happened so as this is discussed we need to remain respectful for those that lost their lives and were injured including their families.
That being said I believe the parents of the shooter should be charged as well as other parents that kept their children home that day after their children expressed concerns that they heard someone was going to do something at the school and not one of those parents contacted authorities. For these tragedies to stop everyone needs to step up and say something.

 

[C. Sumpin]

Disclaimer: I have only heard of this incident, have not followed or read anything about it. Still find it odd that anyone could come to a conclusion either way from the "facts" of a "reporter" jotting down what they have heard on a notepad immediately after the fact, to be published in a "news"paper. Just me.

 

[Keystone19250]

This is another tragedy that should NOT have happened so as this is discussed we need to remain respectful for those that lost their lives and were injured including their families.
That being said I believe the parents of the shooter should be charged as well as other parents that kept their children home that day after their children expressed concerns that they heard someone was going to do something at the school and not one of those parents contacted authorities. For these tragedies to stop everyone needs to step up and say something.

Following this and adding to it while watching the news this morning on the arrest of the parents authorities have found a text message from the mother to her son “the shooter” basically saying “next time you need to learn not to get caught” ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!
Talk about the bottom of the gene pool, some people should NEVER have children.

 

[Pitdogg2]

This is another tragedy that should NOT have happened so as this is discussed we need to remain respectful for those that lost their lives and were injured including their families.
That being said I believe the parents of the shooter should be charged as well as other parents that kept their children home that day after their children expressed concerns that they heard someone was going to do something at the school and not one of those parents contacted authorities. For these tragedies to stop everyone needs to step up and say something.

I hear what you're saying. The one thing I disagree with you is that there is a LOT of "noise" "drama" whatever you want to call it with kids in school these days. So much worse now with everyone yakking on social media. Most if not all is hearsay.

Hearsay/rumers do not get you search warrants or hold up in court.

If these parents were called and talked to by the school and refused to take the kid home and after the "talk" this kid went berserk well the parents could have stopped this by taking the kid home, they also could have searched the kids locker,bag etc and seen if he had the gun and STOPPED it.

The kid should not have had unlimited access to this firearm, This we can agree on.
I taught my kids from a very early age the fundamentals of gun safety, they could handle them ONLY in my presence and then they were locked up. When they asked to see them I accommodated that and they were to show the safety they were being taught in handling ANY firearm.

We went shooting/hunting and used the firearms.
I personally think every kid should take a Hunters safety course EVEN if you do not hunt. They go through firearm safety which I think is very beneficial. Even though I'm teaching them I know from my own self you learn other perspectives from other teachers EVEN learning the same stuff.

MSN

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[C. Sumpin]

"I taught my kids from a very early age the fundamentals of gun safety, they could handle them ONLY in my presence and then they were locked up. When they asked to see them I accommodated that and they were to show the safety they were being taught in handling ANY firearm."

Good Policy Pit.....but tell you what......back in the day, I never received any instruction on anything but in my house and all the farms around the boys knew not to touch those things standing in the corner or on the dresser top, and we never did. They did not have to be locked away to be left alone by us children. We sure are in a different day......and many parents act like a child so how do we expect a child to mature? Seems like the more "progressive" society becomes the less civilized we are. When my Mom or Dad (or relative, or neighbor, or teacher) said "No", that was the end of it. And a ringing ear from cuff on the side of the head or a boot to the butt was not defined as child abuse but correction and proper upbringing. And it was unheard of for a child to report/snitch his parents to the school "counselor". We reap what we sow...........

 

[Keystone19250]

I hear what you're saying. The one thing I disagree with you is that there is a LOT of "noise" "drama" whatever you want to call it with kids in school these days. So much worse now with everyone yakking on social media. Most if not all is hearsay.

Hearsay/rumers do not get you search warrants or hold up in court.

If these parents were called and talked to by the school and refused to take the kid home and after the "talk" this kid went berserk well the parents could have stopped this by taking the kid home, they also could have searched the kids locker,bag etc and seen if he had the gun and STOPPED it.

The kid should not have had unlimited access to this firearm, This we can agree on.
I taught my kids from a very early age the fundamentals of gun safety, they could handle them ONLY in my presence and then they were locked up. When they asked to see them I accommodated that and they were to show the safety they were being taught in handling ANY firearm.

We went shooting/hunting and used the firearms.
I personally think every kid should take a Hunters safety course EVEN if you do not hunt. They go through firearm safety which I think is very beneficial. Even though I'm teaching them I know from my own self you learn other perspectives from other teachers EVEN learning the same stuff.

MSN

www.msn.com

You can spin the hearsay and speculation all you want about what doesn’t allow for warrants in today’s society everyone has to be proactive in attempting to avoid these tragedies.
(Better to ask for forgiveness then permission)

 

[Sld1959]

Well from what I have seen and read here in Michigan there is certainly something very wrong there. Numerous red flags were ignored or made light of by the parents. The one text I believe from the mother said I am not mad you just have to learn not to be caught. Cannot remember off hand what it referenced.

Plus from what has been published here the father bought the handgun for the child for Christmas and he had ready access to it.

So yes. There seems, from these reports, blame to be shared by the parents also.

 

[Pitdogg2]

"I taught my kids from a very early age the fundamentals of gun safety, they could handle them ONLY in my presence and then they were locked up. When they asked to see them I accommodated that and they were to show the safety they were being taught in handling ANY firearm."

Good Policy Pit.....but tell you what......back in the day, I never received any instruction on anything but in my house and all the farms around the boys knew not to touch those things standing in the corner or on the dresser top, and we never did. They did not have to be locked away to be left alone by us children. We sure are in a different day......and many parents act like a child so how do we expect a child to mature? Seems like the more "progressive" society becomes the less civilized we are. When my Mom or Dad (or relative, or neighbor, or teacher) said "No", that was the end of it. And a ringing ear from cuff on the side of the head or a boot to the butt was not defined as child abuse but correction and proper upbringing. And it was unheard of for a child to report/snitch his parents to the school "counselor". We reap what we sow...........

A lot of that was my childhood as well. I had my bottom "warmed" up good by other parents or a good rap on the nogin by a stout knuckle.

Yes guns were unlocked and mostly loaded. Guns were tools we put on the dash of the farm truck and went everywhere. Standing in the corner ..check right behind the door.

Today is a different world .... I'll just stop there.

 

[Keystone19250]

Well from what I have seen and read here in Michigan there is certainly something very wrong there. Numerous red flags were ignored or made light of by the parents. The one text I believe from the mother said I am not mad you just have to learn not to be caught. Cannot remember off hand what it referenced.

Plus from what has been published here the father bought the handgun for the child for Christmas and he had ready access to it.

So yes. There seems, from these reports, blame to be shared by the parents also.

Exactly

 

[Pitdogg2]

You can spin the hearsay and speculation all you want about what doesn’t allow for warrants in today’s society everyone has to be proactive in attempting to avoid these tragedies.
(Better to ask for forgiveness then permission)

Trust me I hear you loudly. For the most part I'm in agreement. I'm not trying to spin anything.
The point I'm trying to get across is at some point with all the social media noise with kids it becomes

"The boy who cried wolf"

Once again there was a mountain of evidence here which was not acted upon. Why?

 

[KillerFord1977]

What is a tragedy is our kids have to go to school knowing there is a possibility some classmate may try to do them harm and have lockdown drills, police in school, etc, etc.
As parents, seeing your children leave for school used to mean you didn't worry about them as you knew they were at school all day.
Now, telling your children you love them means even more because in the back of your mind, you know in this day and age, someone may try to take their classmates lives.

When we grew up, suicide was always around I guess. Knew of some kids that unfortunately took their own life.
Now, seems they want to take everyone out with them. Horrible. Just plain horrible for society.

I’m a firm believer its not about guns. Its about the person.
Some of the worst tragedies in this nation involved the use of a fertilizer bomb and airplanes. There is a will, there is a way.
Just wish media wouldnt plant this shooting seed in the minds of those wanting ill will.

My 02 cents

 

[Keystone19250]

What is a tragedy is our kids have to go to school knowing there is a possibility some classmate may try to do them harm and have lockdown drills, police in school, etc, etc.
As parents, seeing your children leave for school used to mean you didn't worry about them as you knew they were at school all day.
Now, telling your children you love them means even more because in the back of your mind, you know in this day and age, someone may try to take their classmates lives.

When we grew up, suicide was always around I guess. Knew of some kids that unfortunately took their own life.
Now, seems they want to take everyone out with them. Horrible. Just plain horrible for society.

I’m a firm believer its not about guns. Its about the person.
Some of the worst tragedies in this nation involved the use of a fertilizer bomb and airplanes. There is a will, there is a way.
Just wish media wouldnt plant this shooting seed in the minds of those wanting ill will.

My 02 cents

Very well said!!!!!!!

 

[Keystone19250]

Trust me I hear you loudly. For the most part I'm in agreement. I'm not trying to spin anything.
The point I'm trying to get across is at some point with all the social media noise with kids it becomes

"The boy who cried wolf"

Once again there was a mountain of evidence here which was not acted upon. Why?

I completely agree with you on that however we need more of those that cry wolf instead of those that don’t want to get involved. It is our children for heaven sake that we owe everything we can do to keep them safe.

 

[Old_Me]

My trophy wife and I are usually in agreement of most items 2A but completely disagree on this. By only using the information that has been published to date I think that the shooter's parents are really bad horrible parents, but that does not justify them being charged with 4 counts of involuntary manslaughter. There are charges that I am sure the case can be made for against them in this tragedy but IMHO that is not the charge.

here is the way "i see it"..

the father took the son to look at and buy a gun a few days before the shooting.

now in of itself, that could have been just a father and son day, that the dad wanted for his son to see what he was buying for himself (the dad)

in all U.S. States, there is an "age of majority" or legal age for children to reach, before they are considered as "adult"

this kid, was UNDER the legal age, and as such the parents had at least one gun in the house, that the kid certainly proved, he had access to.

was it locked up?

i think not, from what i have read thus far.

meaning the gun was with-in easy reach.

the parents SHOULD be accessories to the murders, due to negligence on thier part to not have the gun locked up.

had it BEEN locked up, and the kid broke into the lock box? i think that would (in some way) exonerate the parents.

as "i see it", the parents FAILED, and since the kid IS UNDER the legal age, they ought to answer to the crime(s), in effect, accepting responsibility for an underage child's actions.

 

[Pitdogg2]

^^^agree^^^

 

[straydoglogic]

What is a tragedy is our kids have to go to school knowing there is a possibility some classmate may try to do them harm and have lockdown drills, police in school, etc, etc.

We had a cop in our schools back in the 90's ( this is when they introduced metal detectors as well) and they did bomb drills occasionally. I always remember pics from the 50's-60's of kids under their desks doing drills as well. Humans are one crazy species of animal.

Something REALLY tragic about this is that it could have been prevented. People had an idea that this would happen. I saw a video from a student at the school saying, "looks like he's keeping his word." or something to that effect, while it was going down.

 

[Bassbob]

The parents knew he was screwed up. Seen his posts talking about shooting people. His mom texted him a message telling him not to get caught and begging him " Not to do it". Then bought a gun and let him have access to it. Yeah, to hell with those people. They should do time if you ask me.