More Sig 320 drama

[trader]

I want to see that video too. I have seen firsthand, firings ("accidental") at ranges throughout the years - ALWAYS some person with hands on firearm, never with firearm sitting alone on a bench deciding to go off by itself.

 

[Lab Us]

On the 320 if it was simply a training issue then that frequency would carry over to all the agencies that carry other makes.

This is the point I tried to make earlier in this thread and on other sites. The Sig choir drowns it out immediately without providing an answer. They usually go back to the late 80’s/early 90’s and cry “but Glock leg”, conflating the issue of transitioning from revolvers to strikers with a potential design flaw.

If it was only training and lack of safety, we’d be seeing NDs from M&Ps, Glocks, FNs, Walthers, etc. having similar numbers of NDs as the P320. WHY is it always a P320?

 

[Annihilator]

This is the point I tried to make earlier in this thread and on other sites. The Sig choir drowns it out immediately without providing an answer. They usually go back to the late 80’s/early 90’s and cry “but Glock leg”, conflating the issue of transitioning from revolvers to strikers with a potential design flaw.

If it was only training and lack of safety, we’d be seeing NDs from M&Ps, Glocks, FNs, Walthers, etc. having similar numbers of NDs as the P320. WHY is it always a P320?

Because those firearms you mentioned have the blade style trigger safety, while Sig does not. I’m not sticking up for Sig, I own several as I do Glocks, plus most Sig’s have a somewhat lighter trigger then say Glock and M&P’s, just sayin

 

[ECS686]

Please link me to a video showing this gun firing without being touched.

I looked but apparently it must have been pulled. TFB tv had it at one time. Not sure if Sig had a legal call or what. I will keep looking for the actual one.

Meanwhile here is the competitor discussing it but not sure why he actual video was taken down unless there was legal threats as it was out there at one time.

 

[Lab Us]

Because those firearms you mentioned have the blade style trigger safety, while Sig does not. I’m not sticking up for Sig, I own several as I do Glocks, plus most Sig’s have a somewhat lighter trigger then say Glock and M&P’s, just sayin

Exactly! That’s why I wrote “a potential design flaw.” There is also the fact an Sig striker is fully cocked when loaded when others are not (takes a bit of trigger pull to fully cocked them).

I know Sig made their P320s this way intentionally and refuses to see any of that as a potential problem on a light trigger pull striker gun, but to consistently blame users when a gun “could” be made safer seems counterintuitive to customer care, at least to me.

Or maybe it’s just people that can’t handle guns properly are drawn to Sigs? /sarcasm for all those that will miss it.

 

[trader]

if that is correct as you say Lab, and its possible, kinda makes the argument against carry with one in the pipe, for that model, does it not.

 

[ECS686]

Exactly! That’s why I wrote “a potential design flaw.” There is also the fact an Sig striker is fully cocked when loaded when others are not (takes a bit of trigger pull to fully cocked them).

I know Sig made their P320s this way intentionally and refuses to see any of that as a potential problem on a light trigger pull striker gun, but to consistently blame users when a gun “could” be made safer seems counterintuitive to customer care, at least to me.

Or maybe it’s just people that can’t handle guns properly are drawn to Sigs? /sarcasm for all those that will miss it.

The issue is Sig isn’t the only one that has a cocked striker design. As many have mentioned S&W M&P’s HK VP 9 and Walther are 3 examples that have a more single action type cocked design compared to Glock, Shadow Systems and Stoeger Glock Gen 3 design stuff

 

[Lab Us]

if that is correct as you say Lab, and its possible, kinda makes the argument against carry with one in the pipe, for that model, does it not.

To me, it means don’t carry that model at all. I’m slowing moving away from strikers back to DA/SA hammers. I have a G23 MOS, G27, and a Hellcat remaining as strikers, of which the Hellcat is about all I carry (striker) anymore, and it has a manual safety. My main carry has become a Beretta Px4 Compact with decocker.

 

[Annihilator]

Or maybe it’s just people that can’t handle guns properly are drawn to Sigs? /sarcasm for all those that will miss it.

I don’t get what you’re referring to on your last phrase. To me this Sig thing is just blown out of perspective, most if not all so called issues are with law enforcement, if there was really an actual problem with the Sig design, you would have heard way more reports, and not just from law enforcement, but everyone on a large scale, plus I don’t believe any competitive shooter what they say since all there guns are tuned. And to answer the post why is it only the 320, because of social media and people know there was possible issue in the early 320’s that didn’t have the upgrade, so they go with it.

 

[rcurtner]

Not trying to be rude, but enough already.

 

[KillerFord1977]

This is the point I tried to make earlier in this thread and on other sites. The Sig choir drowns it out immediately without providing an answer. They usually go back to the late 80’s/early 90’s and cry “but Glock leg”, conflating the issue of transitioning from revolvers to strikers with a potential design flaw.

If it was only training and lack of safety, we’d be seeing NDs from M&Ps, Glocks, FNs, Walthers, etc. having similar numbers of NDs as the P320. WHY is it always a P320?

Also, a lot a people that have a ND, dont report it or take a beating from their agency for a ND. Since its a Sig “thing” they want to go after it as Sig’s fault and not their own ND.

Military and LE Agencies have a lot of ND’s. It gets swept under the table. Quickly.

 

[NMEDGE]

I guess I will pass on purchasing this model. Really wanted to get one but don't want to take a chance. Next time I am on base I will ask around if they are having any issues with it.

 

[Annihilator]

I guess I will pass on purchasing this model. Really wanted to get one but don't want to take a chance. Next time I am on base I will ask around if they are having any issues with it.

I personally like my M17, it has a manual safety but I hardly use it, but it’s there if I feel the need, plus I wouldn’t let internet crap sway me from getting any gun cause Joe Blow said it shoots all by itself, the newer P320’s have the upgrade.