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Muzzle in a safe direction is more than a suggestion

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To the Mods this is for informational use only if I have overstepped I wasn’t intending so please delete if you feel best.

Why folks can not understand safe direction means where if a gun goes off there is ZERO human contact and minimum property damage. Nobody is immune and unloaded guns destroy more Televisions tjan lightning!
 

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Had a 2LT do this with a ,45 ACP. We were getting ready for a Month long National Training Center rotation and the off-post apartment complex had some security issues so he decided to a Colt defender for her to have for home defense.
He was showing her how to load and upload it. He showed her how to load it but failed to drop the magazine before he racked the slide. His hand position was in front of the muzzle. He let the slide slam forward and pulled the trigger.
The 230 grain FMJ bullet went through the meaty portion of his hand and lodged into their microwave stand.
Needless to say he didn’t go with us to the training event. He fully recovered from his brain 🧠 fart.
He’s now a Brigadier General.
 
I will say the average gun person whether civilian or LEO has very dismal sometimes horrible gun handling skills. You can usually spot that within a few moments of their administrative gun handling. I watched a TON of folks sweep hands arms and etc while loading unloading just general handing

Go to any gun store and just watch. How many folks when handed a handgun automatically place their finger on the trigger or flag the muzzle around. 85% or more of the ones that do say the didn’t!

And when you politely bring that to their attention they look at you in disbelief. They just don’t know what they don’t know.

Then a few others have a “except for” mentality. The 4 rules apply apply “except for” us because they were a cop or a military or trained with DELTA dude

It’s not the Glock you should be able to unload the thing, double check to confirm it’s unloaded and no mag is in the gun. Then point in a “safe direction” (I know there’s that term again) and dry fire it.l without a loud noise, It’s not rocket science!
 
I was in the tower of the gate when Trans Corp (the "professionals" for transporting inmates) pulled in. My partner on the ground search their veh. while the two officers locked their sidearms in the gun safes. The female T.C. sits back in the passenger seat and my partner reminds them that they have to secure their shotgun also :rolleyes: so she takes the shotgun hands it to her partner, finger in the trigger guard muzzle pointed right at his heart. That brain trust grabs the muzzle and pulls it to him. :eek: Once he has the gun he manages to point it at everything but the ground. My partner has retreated to the office behind a concrete wall, I'm down behind the half concrete wall of the tower. We manage to get them out of the gate without killing anyone. My partner, a new officer, says we need to tell someone and write a report. I explain to him that when asked what I saw, I'm going to say "I saw it coming and took a nap, and I didn't see anything. Can I have my weeks suspension for sleeping on duty during hunting season?":ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Familiarity breeds contempt.
 
Every time I finish at the range, I make sure there is no ammunition on chamber or magazine. When I clean them at home, I remind my self, do not pull the trigger at all, just don't. So far so good, it only takes on mistake to become a casualty. Just ask any gun owner, and they will tell where to look at the bullet holes in their home. It's bound to happen, no matter how much experience you have with firearms. The more experience you have the greater the chances of making a mistake.
 
Rafah said:
Every time I finish at the range, I make sure there is no ammunition on chamber or magazine. When I clean them at home, I remind my self, do not pull the trigger at all, just don't. So far so good, it only takes on mistake to become a casualty. Just ask any gun owner, and they will tell where to look at the bullet holes in their home. It's bound to happen, no matter how much experience you have with firearms. The more experience you have the greater the chances of making a mistake.
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Same here. I’ve seen many soldiers shoot into the Clearing Barrel. Situational Awareness was lacking
 
Warrior9(Ret) said:
Same here. I’ve seen many soldiers shoot into the Clearing Barrel. Situational Awareness was lacking
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While yeah something went wrong that’s what clearing barrels are for. As the most dangerous time is the loading and unloading of duty guns especially trolls turning them inat he end of a 16 hour day of flightline or patrol duty ORd. We had a few back in my Air Force days but really really low considering the amount of handling we did.

While any AD is bad that’s why the GOV spends the $$$ on barrels
 
Rafah said:
Every time I finish at the range, I make sure there is no ammunition on chamber or magazine. When I clean them at home, I remind my self, do not pull the trigger at all, just don't. So far so good, it only takes on mistake to become a casualty. Just ask any gun owner, and they will tell where to look at the bullet holes in their home. It's bound to happen, no matter how much experience you have with firearms. The more experience you have the greater the chances of making a mistake.
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This gun owner does not have, nor have I had any holes in my house from anyone and I’ve been at it since 1979 with a firearm.
To say “Just ask any gun owner, and they will tell where to look at the bullet holes in their home.”
Is a flat out FALSE statement in generallity.
 
KillerFord1977 said:
Always inspect the chamber !!😳😳😳
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Indeed.
KillerFord1977 said:
This gun owner does not have, nor have I had any holes in my house from anyone and I’ve been at it since 1979 with a firearm.
To say “Just ask any gun owner, and they will tell where to look at the bullet holes in their home.”
Is a flat out FALSE statement in generallity.
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They say there’s two kinds. You either had an ND or you will. I call BS. I never have and I’ve been at it just about exactly as long as you brother. And I have no plans to start doing dumb shite now.
 
Bassbob said:
Indeed.

They say there’s two kinds. You either had an ND or you will. I call BS. I never have and I’ve been at it just about exactly as long as you brother. And I have no plans to start doing dumb shite now.
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When I will handle a gun-
- I make sure the person handing it to me is using safe practices and procedures
- i still inspect the chamber is empty and gun unloaded, even though I saw them do it.

- i do it myself on my own guns. Everytime. If I hand a gun to someone, I tell them to double check even though they saw me hand them an empty.

It’s just smart common practice
 
KillerFord1977 said:
When I will handle a gun-
- I make sure the person handing it to me is using safe practices and procedures
- i still inspect the chamber is empty and gun unloaded, even though I saw them do it.

- i do it myself on my own guns. Everytime. If I hand a gun to someone, I tell them to double check even though they saw me hand them an empty.

It’s just smart common practice
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I assume that’s SOP. It amazes me the stupid shite people do. It’s like when Alec shot that gal on the movie set. How the F does that still happen ? Might as well build a trailer park in Kansas.
 
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