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Jfal said:
Except I have yet to invest in re-loading...it was a plan to do it at some point...just not yet. The price of components right now makes it a wash to reload or buy new for many of my preferred calibers...so I was putting it off.

I guess that case goes into long-storage until I do...
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It's still more cost effective to reload for most rifle calibers and even most pistol calibers depending on the caliber.

I load subsonic 220gr .300blk for roughly 50¢ a round which this normally goes for almost $2.00 a round.

Collecting your brass saves a lot of the cost. My range allows us to collect any brass on the range or in the buckets.

I also load 9mm 147gr subsonic rounds for half the cost as factory ammo.

Just look for deals on reloading components from places like Midway USA and you'll be loading for less.


Here's a link to a few reloading press kits for short money.

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GalacticForceMedia said:
Was not aware it was posted on there. That must have been a sheet show.
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Indeed it was lol. I wrote basically the same thing I just posted here, and a few idiots went after me which kept me amused on my lunch break. So.. Thank you for the lunchtime content man. Glad you are ok. It sucks, but a rifle is replaceable. You are not. Be safe out there.
 
After doing a bit of research, I just learned ZSR is the same as ZincPoint. I bought a case of 9mm ZincPoint and 1 of 10 rounds requires 2 primer strikes in all of my 9mm pistols. Had I known ZSR was the same as ZincPoint, I never would have bought it. My fault for not doing the research...
 
Bassbob said:
Wow. That's a drag.

I don't mean this in any sort of smart ass way, but I never shoot and would never shoot Turkish ammo or really any ammo I don't have prior experience with. No steel case and no reloads except my own and only in big revolvers.
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In my defense (and maybe Galactic Force Media's), ZSR is on EVERY online ammo source website, and I'm seeing it at most LGS's these days, with lots of "great reviews". The bad reviews are hard to find, but they are out there with a bit of digging. It seems to be prevalent everywhere I go.

Maybe I'll look into a digital loading scale and see about weighing each round and pulling anything too heavy. Problem there is the assumption that all the powder is the same throughout the batch. Live and learn.
 
Jfal said:
In my defense (and maybe Galactic Force Media's), ZSR is on EVERY online ammo source website, and I'm seeing it at most LGS's these days, with lots of "great reviews". The bad reviews are hard to find, but they are out there with a bit of digging. It seems to be prevalent everywhere I go.

Maybe I'll look into a digital loading scale and see about weighing each round and pulling anything too heavy. Problem there is the assumption that all the powder is the same throughout the batch. Live and learn.
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No need to defend yourself. These days ammo deals are hard to find.

FYI though, here's a pretty good deal on green tips.
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Bassbob said:
No need to defend yourself. These days ammo deals are hard to find.

FYI though, here's a pretty good deal on green tips.
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Go figure, my outdoor range does not allow green-tips....steel-core bullets "penetrate the berm" too far. Thhppt.

Of course I doubt they'd notice, but I'm one who follows rules even when no one is watching. That includes returning my grocery cart INSIDE the store...not just leaving in the corrals.
 
Jfal said:
Go figure, my outdoor range does not allow green-tips....steel-core bullets "penetrate the berm" too far. Thhppt.

Of course I doubt they'd notice, but I'm one who follows rules even when no one is watching. That includes returning my grocery cart INSIDE the store...not just leaving in the corrals.
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Seems kinda ridiculous.
 
ddeuce22 said:
Almost all of the ranges out here do not allow green tips or any other "Penetrator" or "Bi-Metal" Ammo. It's actually quite ridiculous. This is why I do not buy them.
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Outdoor ranges not allowing green tips ? Wow.

I no longer shoot green tips at AR500 targets, but the ones I recently cut, the green tips take the paint off, that's about it. I don't know what kind of steel it is, but it's clearly harder than AR500. I found a 3x5x3/8" plate and had my buddy cut me a bunch of targets with his plasma cutter.
 
Don't ask me for an explanation...The berm at my range is 12-15' over grade, thus it's 20-30' (or more) deep where it catches bullets. No idea the penetration of an M855 round through 20' of compacted soil and sand, but I guarantee it ain't 20'. No matter, my AR has 1:10 twist rifling and is best with M193 for accuracy (55 grain).
 
By us it's mostly an insurance factor that's driving these decisions. I have found very recently, an amazing range that goes out as far as 1700 yards. It's 45 minutes from where I live, but that's worth it.
 
ddeuce22 said:
By us it's mostly an insurance factor that's driving these decisions. I have found very recently, an amazing range that goes out as far as 1700 yards. It's 45 minutes from where I live, but that's worth it.
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Daaang. We're clearing out a spot on our range to get to 350-400. I have my .223W zero'ed at 200 and I hit an 8" gong every time. I'm going over there this weekend to zero my new AR and I may set one of my 4" gongs out there.
 
Let's get this out there right now. I am not even in the realm of hitting something at 600 yards yet, let alone 1700 lol. But i'm gonna work my way out to it.

I think I hit 550 yards out of a Sig Cross .308 bolt action back at SIG Freedom Days, but I also had a good spotter.
I've got alot to learn when it comes to shooting in general still, but long distance is a different animal entirely.
 
ddeuce22 said:
Let's get this out there right now. I am not even in the realm of hitting something at 600 yards yet, let alone 1700 lol. But i'm gonna work my way out to it.

I think I hit 550 yards out of a Sig Cross .308 bolt action back at SIG Freedom Days, but I also had a good spotter.
I've got alot to learn when it comes to shooting in general still, but long distance is a different animal entirely.
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I hear ya. If it wasn't for a quality scope I'm not sure I could even see 600 yards. Or 200 for that matter. lol
 
Jfal said:
Don't ask me for an explanation...The berm at my range is 12-15' over grade, thus it's 20-30' (or more) deep where it catches bullets. No idea the penetration of an M855 round through 20' of compacted soil and sand, but I guarantee it ain't 20'. No matter, my AR has 1:10 twist rifling and is best with M193 for accuracy (55 grain).
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You'll be lucky to send a 5.56 round past 12in of an earth backstop. Most calibers don't go in too far before expending all their energy.
 
Just an update since the OP did not...there has been another instance of this exact ZSR ammo exploding in a Zastava M77 at an indoor range. Appears the case ruptured at the base, causing the blow-out of the magazine and some damage to the rifle, no injury reported.

I've contacted my source retailer for the case of ammo I possess to see if they are willing to refund me and return the product back to the manufacturer.

Will advise.
 
Update, my online retailer agreed to take back the full case of ZSR M-80 ammo for a full refund, and they e-mailed me a shipping label and will pay the freight. Since this seems to be an excellent example of customer service, I will reveal that the retailer is True Shot from Tempe, AZ. They will be my first stop in shopping for bulk ammo going forward.

I always live my life with the philosophy that, "No's are free". It never hurts to ask!
 
Jfal said:
Update, my online retailer agreed to take back the full case of ZSR M-80 ammo for a full refund, and they e-mailed me a shipping label and will pay the freight. Since this seems to be an excellent example of customer service, I will reveal that the retailer is True Shot from Tempe, AZ. They will be my first stop in shopping for bulk ammo going forward.

I always live my life with the philosophy that, "No's are free". It never hurts to ask!
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I somehow magically started getting their emails several months ago. Almost everything they sell is Turkish or foreign and the good stuff they do sell is priced similarly as everyone else. I'm glad to know their customer service dept. is okay, but I won't be using them myself.
 
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