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NOW they question how their taxes are spent

It's a tough decision on how I want to think about this situation. On the first hand, these are people who many of whom are genuinely suffering. Difficult to know how I would deal with losing literally everything. I have empathy for them from that perspective.

On the other hand, they have made a decision to live in an area where wildfires are somewhat common. It's not unreasonable to argue that they shouldn't be surprised when such events happen. Something akin to the person who builds in a flood plain and then gets flooded out.

With regard to the political/social aspect of this, sorry folks, you elected these clowns. Don't come running to the rest of the country pleading for help because YOUR elected officials screwed you. Little of this stupidity occurred in vacuum. You should have been on their asses when they started this BS.

Looks like some are finding out the hard way that liberal policies and the politicians who champion them are a cancer. If the folks in the area won't escort them out of office and continue to embrace the ignorance of the left, we can't help you.
i feel badly for them as well...everyone lost everything...

its the same situation with living on the coastline, and storm surges take away the beaches, homes were built on.....sooner or later, "mother nature" is going to reclaim her stuff.
 
i feel badly for them as well...everyone lost everything...

its the same situation with living on the coastline, and storm surges take away the beach homes were built on.....sooner or later, "mother nature" is going to reclaim her stuff.
That's just the thing. Nature does its thing. Always. Man can control it to a point, but it's a delicate thing (forestry comes to mind). The earth is an organism (oh gawd, please don't think I'm a tree hugger...but). It changes, and always will. We can only control it so far. We can't control the weather. The insurance companies are seeing the writing on the wall, and they're bailing. They've been pulling out of Florida for years, or making it bloody near impossible to afford what little insurance is available.
 
and also, we can we can all thank the Commifornians for us going electric.

On the other hand, they have made a decision to live in an area where wildfires are somewhat common. It's not unreasonable to argue that they shouldn't be surprised when such events happen. Something akin to the person who builds in a flood plain and then gets flooded out.
Is that the same as living where hurricanes frequently happen ?

Or tornadoes ?

Just to be clear, nobody hates California more than I do. I hate defending it almost as much as I get tired of Internet information.
 
I live where wildfires are common due to lightening, sparks from trains, morons throwing out lit cigarettes and powerlines hitting together or just getting blown down. I don't live in ca! It can happen in many places and it happened here last March. Not sure where estimated cost of loss, but burnt over 1 million acres.
 
While I do feel very sorry for those innocents who lost everything, my compassion for those who voted for the idiots running that state I’d pretty limited. Frankly they got what the asked for. You want all the liberal crap, you get it then complain when the REAL stuff that needed to be addressed turns out to have been neglected….sorry, play stupid games you win stupid prizes.
 
Is that the same as living where hurricanes frequently happen ?

Or tornadoes ?

Just to be clear, nobody hates California more than I do. I hate defending it almost as much as I get tired of Internet information.
Yes, it is. When you choose to vote for nearsighted simpletons who think they are smarter than God (or nature, if you prefer) who make decisions which increase the inherent danger of naturally occurring phenomena, you are contributing to the problem.
 
Is that the same as living where hurricanes frequently happen ?

Or tornadoes ?

Just to be clear, nobody hates California more than I do. I hate defending it almost as much as I get tired of Internet information.
I live in Florida. Yes, we are subject to Hurricanes. That is part of living in Florida. That is not the issue at hand. The issue is that, yes, while we have chosen to live here and accept this consequence of living in Florida, we have not elected officials who are exacerbating the effects and damage from these storms. California and Californians have. From pizz poor forest and water management, not building the reservoirs to hold water, rerouting the water to the ocean for "environmental" reasons and to save some stupid minnow, to cutting the Firefighter budget by over $17 million and favoring DEI over adequate staffing of firefighters, they have done this to themselves out of their own ignorance and virtue signaling. They do things in California that they want to make the Standard throughout the entire nation. Every single regulation, ban, emission standard, environmental standard, medical standard, mental standard, etc. that they do in California, they want to enforce as the law of the land in every single state in the union. Well, we now see the consequences of their ideology. The damage, loss of life, loss of property, loss of wildlife, loss of forestry, is a direct result of the leftist/marxist. DEI, virtue signaling policies that they voted for. Their chickens have come home to roost, and they expect to be bailed out of the consequences of their own actions. While I do have sympathy for those who did not vote for or contribute to this, they chose to stay for whatever reason. Life is about choices.
 
Yes, it is. When you choose to vote for nearsighted simpletons ....
You're missing the point. I did not choose to vote for the the simpletoned vision-impaired idiots you say i chose to vote for.

(Sorry for my reaction to what I would normally claim was a no-class insult)

It might be difficult to understand if you PERSONALLY voted for biden. But I doubt you did.

But America (allegedly) voted for biden. That doesn't mean I did. That doesn't mean you did..

If you're going to claim I voted for newsome, (which is an insult) then can I announce to everyone that you voted for biden/harris ?

Personally, I voted to RECALL newsome. California didn't

So, with your logic, if I voted for newsome et.al, then YOU voted for biden.

So, did you vote for biden ? America allegedly did.

(I apologize for inferring you voted for biden)
 
You're missing the point. I did not choose to vote for the the simpletoned vision-impaired idiots you say i chose to vote for.

(Sorry for my reaction to what I would normally claim was a no-class insult)

It might be difficult to understand if you PERSONALLY voted for biden. But I doubt you did.

But America (allegedly) voted for biden. That doesn't mean I did. That doesn't mean you did..

If you're going to claim I voted for newsome, (which is an insult) then can I announce to everyone that you voted for biden/harris ?

Personally, I voted to RECALL newsome. California didn't

So, with your logic, if I voted for newsome et.al, then YOU voted for biden.

So, did you vote for biden ? America allegedly did.

(I apologize for inferring you voted for biden)
Leave California. I did.
 
I live in Florida. Yes, we are subject to Hurricanes. That is part of living in Florida. That is not the issue at hand. The issue is that, yes, while we have chosen to live here and accept this consequence of living in Florida, While I do have sympathy for those who did not vote for or contribute to this, they chose to stay for whatever reason. Life is about choices.
I was just making a point using someone else's logic. Not mine. I was just drawing parallels. Good weather, beautiful country, crazy people, etc.

Guys, I hate it when people overall generalize and I have to point out their specific errors. It makes me sound like I'm defending this f'd up state.

The reason we're back here is because I was diagnosed with an aggressive nasty disease that kills 97% of patients wlthin two years of diagnosis.

I had a bike crash in California and had an MRI of my abdomen. By chance, a small spot showed up in the border of an image that was totally unrelated to what they were looking for.

That early diagnosis was a lifesaver, but I'll be getting poisoned twice a month for quite a while, and it was immediately obvious that commuting back and forth between Colorado and UC Davis was not going to work. So we pulled the California house off the market and are living close to great doctors. We'll see how long we need to be this close to their hospital,

There are whole states that don't even have the medical machines they use on me. I hate California, but not all of it.

But I'll call bullshit when someone feels like telling ME how I voted.
Leave California. I did.
That's just it. We WERE in the process of leaving California

Then I was hit on my bike and left for dead (hit-and-run by a Toyota Tacoma with an out-of-state license plate, according to witnesses)

Then I was diagnosed with a disease. Major change in plans. We now have houses in Colorado and Oregon. Much of our stuff is in Colorado already. I don't know when we'll be able to leave again. I'm hoping to get better, but I don't know to what degree "better" will be.
 
I was just making a point using someone else's logic. Not mine. I was just drawing parallels. Good weather, beautiful country, crazy people, etc.

Guys, I hate it when people overall generalize and I have to point out their specific errors. It makes me sound like I'm defending this f'd up state.

The reason we're back here is because I was diagnosed with an aggressive nasty disease that kills 97% of patients wlthin two years of diagnosis.

I had a bike crash in California and had an MRI of my abdomen. By chance, a small spot showed up in the border of an image that was totally unrelated to what they were looking for.

That early diagnosis was a lifesaver, but I'll be getting poisoned twice a month for quite a while, and it was immediately obvious that commuting back and forth between Colorado and UC Davis was not going to work. So we pulled the California house off the market and are living close to great doctors. We'll see how long we need to be this close to their hospital,

There are whole states that don't even have the medical machines they use on me. I hate California, but not all of it.

But I'll call bullshit when someone feels like telling ME how I voted.

That's just it. We WERE in the process of leaving California

Then I was hit on my bike and left for dead (hit-and-run by a Toyota Tacoma with an out-of-state license plate, according to witnesses)

Then I was diagnosed with a disease. Major change in plans. We now have houses in Colorado and Oregon. Much of our stuff is in Colorado already. I don't know when we'll be able to leave again. I'm hoping to get better, but I don't know to what degree "better" will be.
Hope you get better real soon. 🙏 My point was that people have to make choices based on their priorities, things happen in life which drives those decisions. Those are things beyond our control, versus those things which are. We would like to leave the part of Florida we are in, but choose not to due to family, her mother is not doing well.. That is a choice due to a priority. Just like you, and many others. That was part of what I was trying to convey. Not everyone is making those decisions blindly.
 
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I was just making a point using someone else's logic. Not mine. I was just drawing parallels. Good weather, beautiful country, crazy people, etc.

Guys, I hate it when people overall generalize and I have to point out their specific errors. It makes me sound like I'm defending this f'd up state.

The reason we're back here is because I was diagnosed with an aggressive nasty disease that kills 97% of patients wlthin two years of diagnosis.

I had a bike crash in California and had an MRI of my abdomen. By chance, a small spot showed up in the border of an image that was totally unrelated to what they were looking for.

That early diagnosis was a lifesaver, but I'll be getting poisoned twice a month for quite a while, and it was immediately obvious that commuting back and forth between Colorado and UC Davis was not going to work. So we pulled the California house off the market and are living close to great doctors. We'll see how long we need to be this close to their hospital,

There are whole states that don't even have the medical machines they use on me. I hate California, but not all of it.

But I'll call bullshit when someone feels like telling ME how I voted.

That's just it. We WERE in the process of leaving California

Then I was hit on my bike and left for dead (hit-and-run by a Toyota Tacoma with an out-of-state license plate, according to witnesses)

Then I was diagnosed with a disease. Major change in plans. We now have houses in Colorado and Oregon. Much of our stuff is in Colorado already. I don't know when we'll be able to leave again. I'm hoping to get better, but I don't know to what degree "better" will be.
Sorry to hear it my friend. We're all pulling for you man.

In reality Colorado and Oregon aren't a whole lot better.
 
Sorry to hear it my friend. We're all pulling for you man.

In reality Colorado and Oregon aren't a whole lot better
Thanks for the well wishes.

And I'm sorry. My post didn't come out right (imagine that).

I was trying to say that because of the accidental and early discovery I'm really lucky.

I'll be OK. Everything is better than anybody expected. I'm just being closely monitored (MRI four times a year, etc) and I'm getting treated accordingly. The spot is in a good place, isn't growing ( may even be shrinking now), and the organ's duct is not dilating anymore. This disease will not kill me

You're right. While Oregon (NOT Portland) and Colorado are not ideal (for instance, there is no 11% firearm tax, and Oregon has no sales tax), they have mountains (important to me). I won't have to go anywhere near blue clusters (once I'm in a maintenance protocol).

I'll be fine. While I'm still grouchy, we're planning for the future. I appreciate life more and have less tolerance for other's stupidity.

And thanks.
 
You're missing the point. I did not choose to vote for the the simpletoned vision-impaired idiots you say i chose to vote for.

(Sorry for my reaction to what I would normally claim was a no-class insult)

It might be difficult to understand if you PERSONALLY voted for biden. But I doubt you did.

But America (allegedly) voted for biden. That doesn't mean I did. That doesn't mean you did..

If you're going to claim I voted for newsome, (which is an insult) then can I announce to everyone that you voted for biden/harris ?

Personally, I voted to RECALL newsome. California didn't

So, with your logic, if I voted for newsome et.al, then YOU voted for biden.

So, did you vote for biden ? America allegedly did.

(I apologize for inferring you voted for biden)
Got it. You didn't vote for the misguided lot that runs the state.

Unfortunately, while I agree that the majority of Americans didn't vote for Clueless Joe, we were forced to endure the tyranny and treasonous behavior. Fortunately, we have been able to correct that.

California, like most other liberal bastions, continues to elect these types. My argument is that if the people refuse to vote them out, they shouldn't complain about the ill effects of their policies, whether they are a direct or indirect result. Liberals love to think their decisions can't have bad consequences because their intentions are "good" (or how they choose to define good).

Why anyone would choose to live in a state where this is SOP when they could leave is beyond me.
 
Why anyone would choose to live in a state where this is SOP when they could leave is beyond me
Sounds like it's a matter of the limits of perception, the breadth of perspective, interpreted through the degrees of values, And that's OK.

Looking at things from the outside looking in certainly limits the scope and range of perception and knowledge, compared to seeing things from the inside looking out.

I'll get by just fine until I leave here again.
 
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