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NOW they question how their taxes are spent

last2brake said:
Is that the same as living where hurricanes frequently happen ?

Or tornadoes ?

Just to be clear, nobody hates California more than I do. I hate defending it almost as much as I get tired of Internet information.
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if i recall, there are warnings and alarms for hurricanes and tornados

many of those areas are "proactive" before the events.

commifornia chose to not repair the fire equipment, or clear some of the forest areas, or fill the reservoir(s), and instead spend the money on DEI, and taking care of the homeless and/or immigrants.
 
Old_Me said:
if i recall, there are warnings and alarms for hurricanes and tornados

many of those areas are "proactive" before the events.

commifornia chose to not repair the fire equipment, or clear some of the forest areas,
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This forest clearing concept cracks me up. Some people have no idea.

California's forests are about a third of the states acreage. It's an area about the size of the whole state of New York, 40% of which is privately owned.

If I recall, the way forest areas are (what others call) "cleared" in nature IS with fire.

Putting OUT fires is what allows fuel on the ground to accumulate instead of being burnt off. Some trees actually need fires to burn off the forest litter to clear the soil and release the seeds from the seed comes.

If California could spend the hundreds of billions of dollars it would take to actually clear tens of thousands of square miles of forest, people downwind would have to endure weeks of smoke in the air

So how does that get done ? I'm sure people would complain no matter if they cleared them or not.

<Sarcazm alert ON>Yeah, I know. People in California voted to plant those trees (some of which are thousands of years old) so they should clear them.<Sarcazm alert
OFF>

As far as warnings for fire, there were high wind weather warnings similar to hurricane warnings (which I think actually excited arsonists). And smoke should be a warning similar to what one might see from a building tornado.. Except instead of hundreds of people climbing into storm cellars, we had millions trying to evacuate on narrow road with fire trucks on them.

As I recall.

I don't mind the California hate nearly as much as the misinformation. Especially from those who've never been in California. Or sometimes worse, those who vist.
 
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last2brake said:
This forest clearing concept cracks me up. Some people have no idea.

California's forests are about a third of the states acreage. It's an area about the size of the whole state of New York, 40% of which is privately owned.

If I recall, the way forest areas are (what others call) "cleared" in nature IS with fire.

Putting OUT fires is what allows fuel on the ground to accumulate instead of being burnt off. Some trees actually need fires to burn off the forest litter to clear the soil and release the seeds from the seed comes.

If California could spend the hundreds of billions of dollars it would take to actually clear tens of thousands of square miles of forest, people downwind would have to endure weeks of smoke in the air

So how does that get done ? I'm sure people would complain no matter if they cleared them or not.

<Sarcazm alert ON>Yeah, I know. People in California voted to plant those trees (some of which are thousands of years old) so they should clear them.<Sarcazm alert
OFF>

As far as warnings for fire, there were high wind weather warnings similar to hurricane warnings (which I think actually excited arsonists). And smoke should be a warning similar to what one might see from a building tornado.. Except instead of hundreds of people climbing into storm cellars, we had millions trying to evacuate on narrow road with fire trucks on them.

As I recall.

I don't mind the California hate nearly as much as the misinformation. Especially from those who've never been in California. Or sometimes worse, those who vist.
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I think what they meant by "forest clearing" is clearing the areas around populated areas and making fire breaks in strategic areas to prevent this out of control situation. Things they should have done to prevent this extensive damage and loss of life were not done.
 
last2brake said:
This forest clearing concept cracks me up. Some people have no idea.

California's forests are about a third of the states acreage. It's an area about the size of the whole state of New York, 40% of which is privately owned.

If I recall, the way forest areas are (what others call) "cleared" in nature IS with fire.

Putting OUT fires is what allows fuel on the ground to accumulate instead of being burnt off. Some trees actually need fires to burn off the forest litter to clear the soil and release the seeds from the seed comes.

If California could spend the hundreds of billions of dollars it would take to actually clear tens of thousands of square miles of forest, people downwind would have to endure weeks of smoke in the air

So how does that get done ? I'm sure people would complain no matter if they cleared them or not.

<Sarcazm alert ON>Yeah, I know. People in California voted to plant those trees (some of which are thousands of years old) so they should clear them.<Sarcazm alert
OFF>

As far as warnings for fire, there were high wind weather warnings similar to hurricane warnings (which I think actually excited arsonists). And smoke should be a warning similar to what one might see from a building tornado.. Except instead of hundreds of people climbing into storm cellars, we had millions trying to evacuate on narrow road with fire trucks on them.

As I recall.

I don't mind the California hate nearly as much as the misinformation. Especially from those who've never been in California. Or sometimes worse, those who vist.
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Misinformation ? Dude, it’s been an issue for years which California laws are exacerbating. And you’ll have to excuse me if I don’t take your opinion over decades of conversations about it by actual forestry experts and professionals who have been warning California officials about it as long as any of us can remember.
 
I have spent decades hiking IN the forests here, talking to LOCAL forestry experts and forest rangers, talking to my brother-in-law (a local dept. chief, who had 100 feet of defensible space between his vineyard and his house, which is actually a fire break, and still had blistering on his siding), and also my neighbor who is in CalFire management.

How far away are you and your remote experts from California ? I have no idea. How do they suggest "clearing"  a forest the size of New York ? How close have they been to a forest fire here, where the hot embers skip miles of forest to advanced fire past fire breaks ?

How do the remote experts recommend "clearing and raking" 50,000 square miles of steep rocky mountainous terrain. People bitch about the smoke from small "controlled burns" for forest management, which are often known to get out of control.

Even people in California have no concept of the size of forest land here. And they live here.

I've heard opinions, but not a practical plan. Nature uses fire for forest management. Man puts the fires out and halts Natures plan. How is man going to do it ? They can't even control the less than 1 % that's burning.

I've heard opinions, but I've yet to hear a pragmatic answer about how to clear 50,000 square miles of forest.

You want an example of misinformation ? People here in the Midwest think California is all in the LA Basin. No idea of the scope of the size of their solution, but they'll sure bitch about the effort. It's the "California is evil" mindset, powered by google

Respectfully, excuse me if i don't take the opinion of unknown remote experts third-hand over the internet. Nothing personal.

I've heard opinions, but no feasible plan that people won't bitch about.
 
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Onewolf426 said:
I think what they meant by "forest clearing" is clearing the areas around populated areas and making fire breaks in strategic areas to prevent this out of control situation. Things they should have done to prevent this extensive damage and loss of life were not done.
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I can't speak to what they've done in the LA área for prevention. It seems like their idea of clearing an area was to build a house on it. But when the fires swept through here, wind was already howling and fire was blowing embers hundreds of yards.

Vineyard are natural firebreaks on the valley floor. Fire hopped over them, and the vineyards were unscathed.
 
last2brake said:
I hate it when you guys make me defend this f'd up state. I'm trying to get out of here.
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maybe that's our "master plan", to **** you off so much, you just get up and leave..??

you'll thank us later, i'm sure....

as stated by another, this has been going on for decades.....Commifornia has better things to do like, support DEI, and spending money on useless things, rather than to fill the reservoir(s), repair the fire equipment, hire more fire fighters...

why is it then, that seemingly, commifornia's wild fires are in the news more than another state...??

cuz the whole BS lawmaking aceholes have much more important things to vote on, or spend money on, than to control or even prevent fires.

oh, yeah, i been to commiefornia more than a time or 2, in my trucking career.

didn't like it at all in fact.....compared to NV, NM, UT, AZ.

take no offense, i just cannot see the attraction of CA.
 
last2brake said:
I hate it when you guys make me defend this f'd up state. I'm trying to get out of here.
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Who the F is saying to clear all the forests in California ?

Even your own forestry service says it promotes healthy forests.

California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection | CAL FIRE

www.fire.ca.gov www.fire.ca.gov

You clearly DO want to defend them for some reason. You use the same argument all the California leftists use when debating. Particularly the strawman about people who don’t live there complaining about it. Lots of us used to live there. And plenty that still live there agree with us. Maybe quit listening to your brother in law and other random dudes and listen to actual experts on the subject. Almost all of whom are very vocal about California F’ing it up with their ridiculous laws. Do you think these dudes have a clue ?

www.nature.org

California: Let’s Stop Making Wildfire History

Fires in California continue to set new records for the “largest,” “most damaging,” “worst air quality” and “most costly” we’ve ever seen.
www.nature.org www.nature.org


Instead of ignoring what I ( and others) are saying and pretending like we’re saying something else, maybe be you should do some actual research on the topic. Leaving SoCal isn’t hard. I did it. My uncle did it. Just do me a favor. If you vote or voted for any politicians in California that actually won office and influenced policy, don’t come here. 😉
 
Oh. I should listen to someone who left SOCAL ?

I can't even visit there. Congratulations.

I basically stopped and skimmed from the first paragraph. Your experts to counter what you think is going to enlighten me is exactly what I ALREADY said. Try to keep up. And you need a "forestry expert" to tell you something that I thought was common knowledge ?

Your "clearing the forest" concept got legs when President Trump flew over a forest in a Boeing. He's never actually going to a forest. Or California and I don't blame him for that. But has he ever gotten dust on his shoes from anything other than a ground-breaking ? And he's a forestry expert ?

The beauty of SoCal....and you left. Congratulations.

Others elsewhere but here obsess about stuff that doesn't bother me. I don't get it. But I can count the liberals I know on one hand. They don't bother me (from here) and i live here but they sure seem to bother you.

A gun-forum poster who hates California. No kidding. Surprising. Do you THINK I didn't know what I was stopping into ?

If everyone had the balls to tell me where they live I could trash where they live, too. But that wouldn't show alot of class.
 
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last2brake said:
Oh. I should listen to someone who left SOCAL ?

I can't even visit there. Congratulations.

I basically stopped and skimmed at the first paragraph. Your experts to countrr what you think is going to enlighten me is exactly what I already said.

Your "clearing the forest" concept got legs when President Trump flew over a forest in Boeing. He's never going to California and I don't blame him.

SoCal....and you left. You left. Me very far right.

I ignore people who want to put tampoco dispensers in boy's room
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Little early to be drunk ain’t it ?
 
somorris said:
Controlled burns are widely used and would help keep fires from getting out of control. No need to just start clearing mature trees.
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Like I said, many fires around here started with "controlled burns" that got out of control and they're not actually widely used. For the reasons I brought up earlier.
 
last2brake said:
Beer. It's not just for breakfast anymore.

And alcohol kills your brain cells. But only the weak ones.

Actually, i can't drink anymore. I don't have a complete pancreas and I have to take care of what's left. Otherwise. I'd be worse.
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Your liver is a muscle. You gotta work that beyotch until it’s rock hard.

I had the doc throw an extra liver in when he was in there snipping on the first one. Not hooked up yet, just in there and ready for game time. 😉😂
 
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