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Problems with 10 mm TRP

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I just purchased the Operator 6" 10mm. It's sad it doesn't have a full length guide rod, I thought that was standard with the TRP series. The worst part, is that the gun was jamming all the time ( failure to completely feed a round into the chamber) and was shooting really far to the left at only 15 yds.. I sent this gun back to them and they didn't even try to fix it, they just sent me a new gun. ... They didn't know that isn't allowed to do in New Jersey with out a permit. ... The 2nd gun did the same thing! So back it went. Springfield somewhat corrected this problem (but not totally) by radius, blending and polishing the throat and feed ramp into the chamber. The 2nd gun still shoots to the left, but not as much. As you can see by the photos, the rear sight shouldn't be hanging off the right side of the slide that much on a $1800 gun in my opinion. ( My Springfield custom carry 45acp. has fixed sights centered on the slide and shoots straight). The 10mm holds tight groups, there just off to the left. Has anybody else had a similar experience?
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#1 first gun out of the box.
#2 sights moved to the right.
#3 moved further right
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When it would jamb.
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I have one of those and it shoots great and runs like a top. I'd definitely reach out to Springfield on that second gun. I've always heard that if you have a problem with one of their guns, they will take care of you. I can't speak to that as all my Sprignfields have been perfect!
 
As in another post about another gun there was a mention of the mag feed lips as far as feeding goes. I have a xdm 10mm with good feed and eject functions. All of my ammo for it is home grown, no factory ammo. I've also had a mag sit just low enough too have feeding issues also. Try too push up on the bottom and hold it so you can hand cycle the slide. For the sight issue that is just lazy on production/testing part or maybe their ammo shoots more too the right and they called it good?
 
Sorry to hear that. That is disheartening purchasing something (anything) like that and it doesn't work as you expect it to. As @KLGunner and others have mentioned, certainly connect with SA. I had to send a brand new firearm back to them and they were a pleasure to deal with. They had it for a couple of weeks. I didn't think that was bad. Never had a problem since.
 
somorris said:
Maybe SA needs to have a network of trusted gun smiths so a problem gun could be taken in rather than mailed back to them? What a drag to have a brand new gun perform like that.
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Yea, not just one but two of the same guns did the same thing.Transportation laws here in N.J. have no provision for transporting your gun to a shipper, just to a range,FFL,your home or gun smith, specifically. You could argue that it is going to a gun smith by way of a shipper, but they "could" bust your balls if your in a town that doesn't like guns. I didn't want to void my warranty by doing the work myself. The throat,feed ramp and chamber was the same on both barrels, very sharp edges at the transitioning points that would dig into the brass, along the bottom of the case and drive the bullet head into the top of the chamber.
 
5.45Fan said:
I have one of those and it shoots great and runs like a top. I'd definitely reach out to Springfield on that second gun. I've always heard that if you have a problem with one of their guns, they will take care of you. I can't speak to that as all my Sprignfields have been perfect!
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My custom carry 45, xds 45, M1 garand, are all perfect.
 
I'm thinking a run of production barrels are to blame here for both problems on both guns with not too far spread apart serial numbers ( 550xxx- 577xxx ). I didn't mention before that the first guns barrel was pressed tight against the left side of the bushing area of the slide, causing extreme wear marks only on the left side of the barrel after only 200 rounds. The wear pattern on the 2nd gun is more on top of the barrel.
 
somorris said:
Maybe SA needs to have a network of trusted gun smiths so a problem gun could be taken in rather than mailed back to them? What a drag to have a brand new gun perform like that.
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That would make it easier with shipping for sure. If sending it back to "mother ship" when something is wrong, I have a bit of confidence that they made it, they have all the parts and hopefully the know how to fix all of their own weapons nuances. That certainly doesn't relieve the anxiety of handing it off at the Fed Ex counter though.
I never had to return a gun or have one worked on for service related issues. Then I went 3 for 3 had to go back.
 
I had no real problems with my TRP 10mm After extensive testing shooting it from a vise I found the grouping to be a little to the right and about 1.5" at 25 yards. I put around 20 different loads through it and all fed correctly, even that RIP ammo, heck, even the subsonic from Detroit ammo fed. I hate to be that guy, but most fail to feed can be tracked to the grip. My guess is the slide isn't traveling all the way back and just catching the round and striping it off. With the feed ramp already addressed, make sure the chamber is good can clean. Another thing to check is the ammo you're using. Have you tried a different brand? If the overall length of the round is a little long, it can jam. Perhaps look at the magazines, does it fail to feed on all mags, or just one?
 

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One last thing, if you're right-handed and the rounds are hitting left, you likely have your finger on the trigger more towards the tip which causes you to push to the left when pulling it. If you're left-handed, the trigger is to close to the first joint causing you to pull the gun to the left. Move your finger just a little bit so when you draw the trigger back it's straight inline with the handgun. Another thing that causes hits to the left when right-handed is squeezing your hand. Only your trigger finger should move, do NOT change anything with the rest of your hand. Trigger finger from the second joint is the only thing that should move.
 
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I had no real problems with my TRP 10mm After extensive testing shooting it from a vise I found the grouping to be a little to the right and about 1.5" at 25 yards. I put around 20 different loads through it and all fed correctly, even that RIP ammo, heck, even the subsonic from Detroit ammo fed. I hate to be that guy, but most fail to feed can be tracked to the grip. My guess is the slide isn't traveling all the way back and just catching the round and striping it off. With the feed ramp already addressed, make sure the chamber is good can clean. Another thing to check is the ammo you're using. Have you tried a different brand? If the overall length of the round is a little long, it can jam. Perhaps look at the magazines, does it fail to feed on all mags, or just one?
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I had 3 different brands, Federal, sellier&bellot and armscore, all 180gr. ball. The armscore had it's own problems with a lot of primers literally falling out of the case after ejection. Here are a few I saved.
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Tactical-Reviews said:
One last thing, if you're right-handed and the rounds are hitting left, you likely have your finger on the trigger more towards the tip which causes you to push to the left when pulling it. If you're left-handed, the trigger is to close to the first joint causing you to pull the gun to the left. Move your finger just a little bit so when you draw the trigger back it's straight inline with the handgun. Another thing that causes hits to the left when right-handed is squeezing your hand. Only your trigger finger should move, do NOT change anything with the rest of your hand. Trigger finger from the second joint is the only thing that should move.
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I appreciate that info. No offense, but that is exactly what I tell people, that I'm teaching how to shoot.:) I don't get to teach that much but I am a NRA certified Range safety officer and handgun instructor. ... I DID actual think it WAS me until I shot some of my other guns with no problem and let a few good shooters that I compete with try this gun, and it shot the same for them also.
 
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5.45Fan said:
I have one of those and it shoots great and runs like a top. I'd definitely reach out to Springfield on that second gun. I've always heard that if you have a problem with one of their guns, they will take care of you. I can't speak to that as all my Sprignfields have been perfect!
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They do take care of their customers well. I had an issue with my Saint a little while back and they shipped it from my place, fixed it, and sent it back. No questions asked and they took care of all the costs. They handled it really well.
 
somorris said:
Maybe SA needs to have a network of trusted gun smiths so a problem gun could be taken in rather than mailed back to them? What a drag to have a brand new gun perform like that.
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Remington does that. I wasn't impressed by the local smith they had me send my rifle to. They eventually fixed the defect but they took forever and forgot to send my case back with the rifle. When they did find my case and send it back it was broken. I'd much rather the manufacturer handles everything so I can trust there won't be something funny happening.
 
REV1NRA said:
I had 3 different brands, Federal, sellier&bellot and armscore, all 180gr. ball. The armscore had it's own problems with a lot of primers literally falling out of the case after ejection. Here are a few I saved.View attachment 4445
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If you can find the Sig ammo, I highly recommend it. I had some terrible accuracy out of Remington and Armscore in my Delta Elite. I switched to Sig and the shot placement tightened up like you wouldn't believe. It might be that the pistol wasn't fully broken in or something during the Remington and Armscore rounds but the difference was night and day and immediate. It went from a shotgun pattern down to fairly centered 2" at 15 yards just by opening a different box.
 
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