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In VP thread i touched heavy on being a NAVY chief and all the "stuff" you expected to do, yet they cant hang you from the yard arm..but your fellow Chiefs no if you fail and that price is a heavy burden.
i took my job serious and for my people/troops
People that serve in any of the branches are great, even if they left after 2 years, but those that run and hide behind "ITS TIME TO retire" to avoid a hard tour are not worth my time. U.S. foreign policy always sucks , but you dont turn and run away when your troops that you have trained are looking at you to get them through it

Still do, as i check on them often, even though almost all of us are retired old farts now
 

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In VP thread i touched heavy on being a NAVY chief and all the "stuff" you expected to do, yet they cant hang you from the yard arm..but your fellow Chiefs no if you fail and that price is a heavy burden.
i took my job serious and for my people/troops
People that serve in any of the branches are great, even if they left after 2 years, but those that run and hide behind "ITS TIME TO retire" to avoid a hard tour are not worth my time. U.S. foreign policy always sucks , but you dont turn and run away when your troops that you have trained are looking at you to get them through it

Still do, as i check on them often, even though almost all of us are retired old farts now
100% brother. Bailing because things get tough is BS of the highest degree. There is a big difference between being assigned a pay grade and earning the respect to be identified by a title. Huge difference between a run of the mill E-8/E-9 and someone who “earns and retains the respect” of titles like Master Sergeant or Command Sergeant Major. It also kills me how the liberals are now playing the “Veterans don’t question Veterans service” card. Far as I’m concerned, Veterans who honorably served, putting duty first, can question anything they want, but especially senior NCOs who appear to shirk their duty for personnel gain or, worse yet, at the expense of others.

If I remember right, a Navy Senior Chief is an E-8. I retired as an E-8 (Senior Master Sergeant) from the USAF, billeted as a First Sergeant, a duty I performed in 8 different units, ranging from 140 to 550 enlisted personnel in size, and one an Expeditionary unit. I retired because I topped out (didn’t get promoted to E-9 by 28 years service). Never once did I consider retiring and leaving my unit(s) hanging. And never once would I have even considered declining to set the proper example for the men and women I led as the senior enlisted (or second to the senior enlisted person) in my units. When I did my deployment time supporting Operation Enduring Freedom, I was at 24 years. Didn’t flinch, nor did my wife of now 45 years.

Integrity First, Service Before Self, and Excellence In All We Do. For those of us who join this proud community of Airmen, whether officer, enlisted, civilian, active, guard, or reserve, being a part of the Air Force family requires that we commit to living these values, on- and off-duty.

And thank YOU for your service!
 
Thank you so much for your service, sir. Military becomes a part of you, and your fellow servicemen become family.
I could say so much but my brain is shutting down. I have that family all over the world. I understand the rage and pain that happens when someone disrespects the unit.
 
Man you guys are silly. Bad mouthing a man who spent 24 years in the military and retired to concentrate on running for political office, which he won.
But you folks support a draft dodger who ridiculed the military record of a man who spent five and half years as a POW. That's incredible. Apparently if someone supports the 2nd amendment that someone can say and do anything and you will vote for him.
 
Man you guys are silly. Bad mouthing a man who spent 24 years in the military and retired to concentrate on running for political office, which he won.
But you folks support a draft dodger who ridiculed the military record of a man who spent five and half years as a POW. That's incredible. Apparently if someone supports the 2nd amendment that someone can say and do anything and you will vote for him.
Odd. I didn’t see anyone in this thread say they were supporting anyone for any political office…
 
Man you guys are silly. Bad mouthing a man who spent 24 years in the military and retired to concentrate on running for political office, which he won.
But you folks support a draft dodger who ridiculed the military record of a man who spent five and half years as a POW. That's incredible. Apparently if someone supports the 2nd amendment that someone can say and do anything and you will vote for him.
Honor and integrity
Especially for command staff

Lots of military leaders go askew and end up in prison. Even while in uniform.
Just because you served is not instant God status. Lots of service personnel are bad seeds.

The integrity one has IN uniform and AFTER is what makes one an indelible mark
 
I'm not military, my father was during the Viet Nam era (Lt. Cmdr-Navy, USS Cecil). I know enough to know, however, it rubs many the wrong way to claim you retired at a rank that you in fact did not. Regardless of all the other stuff we despise him for, claiming you retired illegitimately is a big deal. If he in fact "retired" early to avoid deployment and run for a political position...that can be overlooked (even if cowardly and disgusting). Lying publicly for decades about the rank you retired as is a lie, plain and simple. The fact that all of the media is trying to cover this up slaps many in the face. One might not find many supporters on this site trying to shill leftist garbage, btw. There are a couple though.
 
Army Non Commissioned Officer's Creed

No one is more professional than I. I am a noncommissioned officer, a leader of Soldiers. As a noncommissioned officer, I realize that I am a member of a time honored corps, which is known as "The Backbone of the Army".

I am proud of the Corps of noncommissioned officers and will at all times conduct myself so as to bring credit upon the Corps, the military service and my country regardless of the situation in which I find myself. I will not use my grade or position to attain pleasure, profit, or personal safety.

Competence is my watchword. My two basic responsibilities will always be uppermost in my mind—accomplishment of my mission and the welfare of my Soldiers. I will strive to remain technically and tactically proficient.

I am aware of my role as a noncommissioned officer. I will fulfill my responsibilities inherent in that role. All Soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership; I will provide that leadership.

I know my Soldiers and I will always place their needs above my own. I will communicate consistently with my Soldiers and never leave them uninformed. I will be fair and impartial when recommending both rewards and punishment.

Officers of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their duties; they will not have to accomplish mine. I will earn their respect and confidence as well as that of my Soldiers. I will be loyal to those with whom I serve; seniors, peers, and subordinates alike. I will exercise initiative by taking appropriate action in the absence of orders.

I will not compromise my integrity, nor my moral courage. I will not forget, nor will I allow my comrades to forget that we are professionals, noncommissioned officers, leaders!
 
I spent 24 years, 3 months, 5 days, 11 1/2 hours and some few minutes in the Air Force. Worldwide, accompanied and unaccompanied, and certainly did not "love" every minute -- but would I do it again? Hell, yes but not starting at 75 years of age. During those wonderful years, did I once think of quitting? Hell no -- I did the "repeat after me" statement more than once. "I (state your full name) do solemnly swear to support and defend . . . .". Quitters be damned -- they not only won't get my vote, but they are also not even eligible to be spit on.
 
Man you guys are silly. Bad mouthing a man who spent 24 years in the military and retired to concentrate on running for political office, which he won.
But you folks support a draft dodger who ridiculed the military record of a man who spent five and half years as a POW. That's incredible. Apparently if someone supports the 2nd amendment that someone can say and do anything and you will vote for him.
Just because he spent 24 years in the guard that doesn’t give him a pass for dropping out right before his unit was deployed or lying about his rank in his subsequent political campaigns. Nor does it give him a pass for his actions as governor. Including shuttling 250 million taxpayer dollars into the hands of Somalis in a Covid payout scam, literally creating a snitch line for people to rat out their neighbors for not following Covid lockdown protocols, conspiring with his daughter to encourage the George Floyd riots, destroying hundreds of small and black owned businesses and supporting bills to put tampon dispensers in boys grade school bathrooms.

F that guy. And F John McCain. And John Kerry. And Mark Kelly. You don’t get to enter politics with a Teflon coating just because you were military.
 
We are proud of you and many others who served
i just wished we didn't have so many others that can't be bothered to defend our country.

never was a time, i didn't hear a vet say he'd go to war right now if he was called up.

the draft (as we knew it way back when) should have never been stopped. when i was teaching at the trucking school and someone applied for a student loan? they had to have at least a GED and proof of selective service...if no such on either?

they had to sign up for the draft and take GED classes, to get that student loan.

this goes back to the time i was there from 2007 to 2009

what I LOVE is what Israel does.....MANDATORY military service right out of high school.

in my opinion, this is what we need to have.
 
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Others have commented on Mr Walz's short comings quite accurately. What I will add here is the no free speech unless we allow it stuff. Video - https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-08-09/tim-walz-vs-free-speech-maximum-treason We all have our opinions and that's fine - we may disagree, sometimes we are incorrect - I know I'm not right about everything nor is anyone. Nobody however gets to order me to agree with them or disallow me my own thoughts on any issue. Full stop.
 
Man you guys are silly. Bad mouthing a man who spent 24 years in the military and retired to concentrate on running for political office, which he won.
But you folks support a draft dodger who ridiculed the military record of a man who spent five and half years as a POW. That's incredible. Apparently if someone supports the 2nd amendment that someone can say and do anything and you will vote for him.
Those who have served in time of conflict will have a full appreciation of the contempt reserved for others in the service who are shirkers.
 
i just wished we didn't have so many others that can't be bothered to defend our country.

never was a time, i didn't hear a vet say he'd go to war right now if he was called up.

the draft (as we knew it way back when) should have never been stopped. when i was teaching at the trucking school and someone applied for a student loan? they had to have at least a GED and proof of selective service...if no such on either?

they had to sign up for the draft and take GED classes, to get that student loan.

this goes back to the time i was there from 2007 to 2009

what I LOVE is what Israel does.....MANDATORY military service right out of high school.

in my opinion, this is what we need to have.
I believe some countries call it conscription. Every able bodied person (pretty sure females are included also) between certain ages are required to serve their country for a certain mandated amount of time. Period. And yes...America needs this.
 
Others have shared the Navy and Army NCO/SNCO creeds. Thought I’d share those of the US Air Force…

NCO = E-4 through E-6 (Sergeant, Staff Sergeant, Technical Sergeant)
SNCO = E-7 through E-9 (Master Sergeant, Senior Master Sergeant, Chief Master Sergeant)

Non-Commissioned Officer (NCO) Creed


NO ONE IS MORE PROFESSIONAL THAN I. I AM A NONCOMMISSIONED OFFICER, A LEADER OF PEOPLE. I AM PROUD OF THE NONCOMMISSIONED OFFICER CORP AND WILL AT ALL TIMES CONDUCT MYSELF SO AS TO BRING CREDIT UPON IT. I WILL NOT USE MY GRADE OR POSITION TO ATTAIN PROFIT OR SAFETY.

COMPETENCE IS MY WATCHWORD, I WILL STRIVE TO MAINTAIN TACTICALLY AND TECHNICALLY PROFICIENT. I WILL ALWAYS BE AWARE OF MY ROLE AS A NONCOMMISSIONED OFFICER; I WILL FULFILL MY RESPONSIBILITIES AND DISPLAY PROFESSIONALISM AT ALL TIMES. I WILL STRIVE TO KNOW MY SUBORDINATES AND USE THEIR SKILLS TO THE MAXIMUM DEGREE POSSIBLE. I WILL ALWAYS PLACE THEIR NEEDS ABOVE MY OWN AND WILL COMMUNICATE WITH MY SUPERVISORS AND MY PEOPLE AND NEVER LEAVE THEM UNINFORMED.

I WILL EXERT EVERY EFFORT AND RISK ANY RIDICULE TO SUCCESSFULLY ACCOMPLISH MY ASSIGNED DUTIES, I WILL NOT LOOK AT A PERSON AND SEE ANY RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, SEX, AGE, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN, FOR I WILL SEE ONLY THE PERSON; NOR WILL I EVER SHOW PREJUDICE OR BIAS. I WILL LEAD BY EXAMPLE AND WILL RESORT TO DISCIPLINARY ACTION ONLY WHEN NECESSARY. I WILL CARRY OUT ORDERS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITIES AND WILL ALWAYS OBEY THE DECISIONS OF MY SUPERIORS.

I WILL GIVE ALL OFFICERS MY MAXIMUM SUPPORT TO ENSURE MISSION ACCOMPLISHMENT. I WILL EARN THEIR RESPECT, OBEY THEIR ORDERS, AND ESTABLISH A HIGH DEGREE IF INTEGRITY WITH THEM. I WILL EXERCISE INITIATIVE IN THE ABSENCE OF ORDERS AND WILL MAKE DECISIVE AND ACCURATE DECISIONS.

I WILL NOT COMPROMISE MY INTEGRITY NOR MY MORAL COURAGE. I WILL NOT FORGET THAT I AM A PROFESSIONAL, I AM A LEADER -- I AM A

NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER

Senior Non-Commissioned Officer (SNCO) Creed​


"In the United States Air Force, a Master Sergeant joins an elite group. The term "Sergeant" is an ancient, honorable one that denotes a person possessing special skills, trust, and integrity. All of you are now Master Sergeants, which means you have mastered the techniques and abilities required of noncommissioned officers. As you progress to Senior Master Sergeant and Chief Master Sergeant, your title will change, but not the designation as a Senior Non-Commissioned Officer. You are afforded privileges not awarded to others, and you have freely accepted responsibility beyond the call of normal duty. You have, by your actions and performance, earned the respect of your seniors and juniors. As Master Sergeants, your entire way of life will change. More will be expected of you; more will be demanded of you--not because you are a Master Sergeant, but because you are now a Senior NCO. You have not merely been promoted one pay grade, you have joined an exclusive group--A group dedicated to taking care of those who follow in their footsteps. As a member of this group, you have a responsibility to your fellow Senior NCO's even as they have a responsibility to you."

  • I am a Senior Noncommissioned Officer in the United States Air Force.
  • I hold allegiance to my country, devotion to duty, and personal integrity above all.
  • I wear my rank of authority with dignity, I promote the highest standards of conduct, appearance, and performance by setting the example.
  • I seek no favors because of my rank.
  • I am devoted to the concept of service rather than personal gain.
  • I uphold the traditions of senior noncommissioned officers who precede me.
  • I manage resources under my control with astute efficiency, and lead the way with the highest level of competence.
  • I always strive to merit the respect of my fellow senior noncommissioned officers and of all with whom I come in contact.
 
Man you guys are silly. Bad mouthing a man who spent 24 years in the military and retired to concentrate on running for political office, which he won.
But you folks support a draft dodger who ridiculed the military record of a man who spent five and half years as a POW. That's incredible. Apparently if someone supports the 2nd amendment that someone can say and do anything and you will vote for him.
I believe Biden received 5 draft deferments, 4 for school and one for asthma... Trump also had 5 deferments, 4 for school and one for bone spurs... Clinton had three deferments, all for school... and on and on. It was pretty 'normal' for kids in wealthy families no matter if we like it or not.

As far as Mr McCain goes, did he honorably serve, become a POW and war hero; yes I would say so. However that does not exempt you from or give you carte blanche to be a bad human after the fact. Just because I am a wartime veteran of both the Army and Air Force does not mean I should not be called out if I were to be an a$$hat and do terrible things, it's not a free pass.
 
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