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Sig Has a Lawsuit

Whoops, my earlier post, I drop the NOT out of a key phrase. To late to edit.

My point, trying to balance this issue in the middle.

Yes, some of the cases don't sound credible, and even at 100 cases out of 100's of thousands fielded, it is very small.

On the other hand, some of the cases are very credible, and the claim is the pistol went off on its own, so this is not something that should be ignored.

Sig should be approaching this as trying to understand what happened in these cases and looking for a flaw in their design or a flaw in the manufacturing. There could be a defect in these 100 that fired on their own.

The guy that in a competition had a P320 go off in the holster with his hands up, with multiple eye witness's, Sig told him they inspected it and found a defective return spring. Which return spring, I am only aware of one on the front of the striker. If its that, I can't imagine how it being bad would cause the pistol to go off on its own.

Don't forget the mil has heavier triggers, well most of the time. I haven't been able to find pull weight on ant 320 versions.
I just measured my Sig P320 M18 trigger pull at 4.75lbs. BUT, the civilian version is different from the Military, a few things here and there, I think its really just the slide for the rear sight and RDS provisions, the extractor bolt/pin as well. I suspect they are made on two totally different lines. And, I installed a Sig Flat Trigger, which I "read" some reviews its makes for a lighter trigger, it did look like it had a different length lever to the trigger bar.

IIRC, military insists on a 7lb trigger, while most civilian you can find a 5lb or less trigger.

Did Sig ever reveal the reason why they removed the blade safety from the original 320 FCU design?
Blade Safety? Is that the Trigger Unlock, like on Glocks?
 
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Whoops, my earlier post, I drop the NOT out of a key phrase. To late to edit.

My point, trying to balance this issue in the middle.

Yes, some of the cases don't sound credible, and even at 100 cases out of 100's of thousands fielded, it is very small.

On the other hand, some of the cases are very credible, and the claim is the pistol went off on its own, so this is not something that should be ignored.

Sig should be approaching this as trying to understand what happened in these cases and looking for a flaw in their design or a flaw in the manufacturing. There could be a defect in these 100 that fired on their own.

The guy that in a competition had a P320 go off in the holster with his hands up, with multiple eye witness's, Sig told him they inspected it and found a defective return spring. Which return spring, I am only aware of one on the front of the striker. If its that, I can't imagine how it being bad would cause the pistol to go off on its own.


I just measured my Sig P320 M18 trigger pull at 4.75lbs. BUT, the civilian version is different from the Military, a few things here and there, I think its really just the slide for the rear sight and RDS provisions, the extractor bolt/pin as well. I suspect they are made on two totally different lines. And, I installed a Sig Flat Trigger, which I "read" some reviews its makes for a lighter trigger, it did look like it had a different length lever to the trigger bar.

IIRC, military insists on a 7lb trigger, while most civilian you can find a 5lb or less trigger.


Blade Safety? Is that the Trigger Unlock, like on Glocks?
https://www.google.com/search?q=sig...#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:6ed975cf,vid:NGE0PnUM48I
 
Whoops, my earlier post, I drop the NOT out of a key phrase. To late to edit.

My point, trying to balance this issue in the middle.

Yes, some of the cases don't sound credible, and even at 100 cases out of 100's of thousands fielded, it is very small.

On the other hand, some of the cases are very credible, and the claim is the pistol went off on its own, so this is not something that should be ignored.

Sig should be approaching this as trying to understand what happened in these cases and looking for a flaw in their design or a flaw in the manufacturing. There could be a defect in these 100 that fired on their own.

The guy that in a competition had a P320 go off in the holster with his hands up, with multiple eye witness's, Sig told him they inspected it and found a defective return spring. Which return spring, I am only aware of one on the front of the striker. If its that, I can't imagine how it being bad would cause the pistol to go off on its own.


I just measured my Sig P320 M18 trigger pull at 4.75lbs. BUT, the civilian version is different from the Military, a few things here and there, I think its really just the slide for the rear sight and RDS provisions, the extractor bolt/pin as well. I suspect they are made on two totally different lines. And, I installed a Sig Flat Trigger, which I "read" some reviews its makes for a lighter trigger, it did look like it had a different length lever to the trigger bar.

IIRC, military insists on a 7lb trigger, while most civilian you can find a 5lb or less trigger.


Blade Safety? Is that the Trigger Unlock, like on Glocks?
Yea, the little bar that’s inside the Glock that you have to press as you pull the trigger
 
I got these two older ones, was before the drop issue was noticed. They do not have the upgrade, which sig don't guarantee works either, Think i got a solution for them though. I will carry them with no round in the chamber and when something happens i will use them like a hand grenade, instead of pulling a pin i will rack a round and throw it at the assailant.

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Hi,

If you want to take the time, this is a two hour discussion of the lawsuit filed on Nov. 30, 2022. Attorneys Andrew Branca (use-of-force lawyer) and Dani Ahn (civil litigator) share their insights.



Thank you for your indulgence,

BassCliff
 
Call me skeptical, for one, who are these people in the videos? How do you know the drop test video wasn’t staged, and the one video where the guy is explaining the safety, is he a gunsmith or just a wannabe, I don’t believe any of that YouTube crap period, and where is it Sig said they couldn’t guarantee the upgrade didn’t work, for one, no I mean no gun manufacturer will ever state something like this period! It would be total disastrous to a gun manufacturer.
 
I got these two older ones, was before the drop issue was noticed. They do not have the upgrade, which sig don't guarantee works either, Think i got a solution for them though. I will carry them with no round in the chamber and when something happens i will use them like a hand grenade, instead of pulling a pin i will rack a round and throw it at the assailant.

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I’d get rid of those guns in heart beat.
 
Whoops, my earlier post, I drop the NOT out of a key phrase. To late to edit.

My point, trying to balance this issue in the middle.

Yes, some of the cases don't sound credible, and even at 100 cases out of 100's of thousands fielded, it is very small.

On the other hand, some of the cases are very credible, and the claim is the pistol went off on its own, so this is not something that should be ignored.

Sig should be approaching this as trying to understand what happened in these cases and looking for a flaw in their design or a flaw in the manufacturing. There could be a defect in these 100 that fired on their own.

The guy that in a competition had a P320 go off in the holster with his hands up, with multiple eye witness's, Sig told him they inspected it and found a defective return spring. Which return spring, I am only aware of one on the front of the striker. If its that, I can't imagine how it being bad would cause the pistol to go off on its own.


I just measured my Sig P320 M18 trigger pull at 4.75lbs. BUT, the civilian version is different from the Military, a few things here and there, I think its really just the slide for the rear sight and RDS provisions, the extractor bolt/pin as well. I suspect they are made on two totally different lines. And, I installed a Sig Flat Trigger, which I "read" some reviews its makes for a lighter trigger, it did look like it had a different length lever to the trigger bar.

IIRC, military insists on a 7lb trigger, while most civilian you can find a 5lb or less trigger.


Blade Safety? Is that the Trigger Unlock, like on Glocks?
Yes
 
And that’s one of the things that make this country great we can all make choices. Just be safe.
Lol, don’t have to be safe, 40 years of firearms with no issues, I’m just vigilant on handling guns, being aware of my surroundings and know how my gun functions before I ever load it…😵‍💫

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Plus this safety seems to work ok….
 
Both videos linked above How can a P320 Fire Uncommanded is 2 years old and Drop an Sig is 5 years old. I’m sure Sig has seen them.

And as for the other two hacks - I mean lawyers - if you’ve got two hours of your life to waste on their unbelievably bad videos, you’ve got too much time on your hands.
 
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