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High schools today offer dual credit classes in coordination with colleges in the area. If a student takes one or more of those courses likely he/she will be successful at the university level.
that's the thing though....not all kids push themselves to learn or apply themselves.

and likewise, many parents don't "seem to" give a flying flip too

i compare an American student to an Hindu (Indian), Chinese, Korean, Pakistan, and a few others, where thier parents PUSH for education on them.

walk into my large hospital, i see more young people from those countries, studying to be doctors, than USA born people....

education in many foreign countries is pushed onto the kids to make better lives for themselves.

here..??

"what can i get for free, sitting on my butt"..????
 
I was listening to one of the morning talk radio pundits today saying there are “dropout students” that have still these unpaid debts and there’s no policy in place as to who would be eligible for the $10,000 gubmint stipend. They say this program was going to cost $400 billion and the estimates were that $10k was the most one would receive. No mention if these select debtors ever made any attempts to make their monthly obligations either. So reliability and expectations of such a defaulting debtor is quite low and with that comes the likelihood of continual gubmint dependency.

I was once denied a mortgage because of a low income-to-debt ration (used to be 25%?) due to low down payment, cc bills, high interest rate...all gubmint factors. There was a time when as one paid their bills, less goes into savings, can’t afford private tuitions, couldn’t find extra work and inflation from gubmint giveaways kept wages down and prices skyrocketing.
Get a good education, get a job, make money, live within your means and pay for what you take - oh boy, that’s soooooo colonial.

We all remember what happened to the PPP monies, CovidCash programs and surpluses, then there’s all the other unaccountable general free-stuff giveaways. Since The Soggy Bottom Creeper announced his program last August, conveniently before the Mid Terms, I wonder how many rushed to “enroll” in some correspondence college and ran up personal debt, not limited to tuition but skool materials like laptops and electronics, but anything else that could be construed as necessity skool’ stuff.

When the Team Crooked Joe BuildsBackBetter, it’s only taxpayers that pay for it. We will all see soon our local taxes rise as has his policymakers mandate overfilling the classrooms with noncitizens. It will be a matter of time that most will probably go on to get jobs, pay taxes and figure out the liberals scheme and how they’ll one day being paying for someone else to sit at home while they do all the work.
 
Part of the problem is companies that would rather hire someone with a degree even if it doesn't have anything to do with the job than someone with experience
That may have true in the past, but no longer. Back in the 1960s-70s and maybe into the 80s, companies looked upon any degree as a sign of commitment and dedication. Therefore, many companies hired young people with no education or experience in that particular field because they felt that they could learn quickly and would be good employees.
However, now you have tons of young people with degrees in things like Interpretative Dance or maybe Gender Studies and such that have absolutely no correlation with today's business or working world. Nobody wants to hire them. These are the ones drowning in debt.
 
and he just announced a delay for 12 months if you can pay..pay if not, dont pay and the Department of education wont turn it in to credit bureaus for 12 months
just kicking it down the road again.. what is 12 months from now??? full blown election season
congress wont take it up because it requires them to make hard decisions that get them UN ELECTED.
congress, has for decades given up power to president in the name of staying in office for ever .. whats that called again? SPINELESS SWAMP CREATURES

plus the demonstrations stating they demand loan forgiveness....that's a huge problem..
shhhheee
 
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I was listening to one of the morning talk radio pundits today saying there are “dropout students” that have still these unpaid debts and there’s no policy in place as to who would be eligible for the $10,000 gubmint stipend. They say this program was going to cost $400 billion and the estimates were that $10k was the most one would receive. No mention if these select debtors ever made any attempts to make their monthly obligations either. So reliability and expectations of such a defaulting debtor is quite low and with that comes the likelihood of continual gubmint dependency.

I was once denied a mortgage because of a low income-to-debt ration (used to be 25%?) due to low down payment, cc bills, high interest rate...all gubmint factors. There was a time when as one paid their bills, less goes into savings, can’t afford private tuitions, couldn’t find extra work and inflation from gubmint giveaways kept wages down and prices skyrocketing.
Get a good education, get a job, make money, live within your means and pay for what you take - oh boy, that’s soooooo colonial.

We all remember what happened to the PPP monies, CovidCash programs and surpluses, then there’s all the other unaccountable general free-stuff giveaways. Since The Soggy Bottom Creeper announced his program last August, conveniently before the Mid Terms, I wonder how many rushed to “enroll” in some correspondence college and ran up personal debt, not limited to tuition but skool materials like laptops and electronics, but anything else that could be construed as necessity skool’ stuff.

When the Team Crooked Joe BuildsBackBetter, it’s only taxpayers that pay for it. We will all see soon our local taxes rise as has his policymakers mandate overfilling the classrooms with noncitizens. It will be a matter of time that most will probably go on to get jobs, pay taxes and figure out the liberals scheme and how they’ll one day being paying for someone else to sit at home while they do all the work.
and in another news article, if the student got federal grants, like the Pell grant.??

they would be "entitled" to $20,000 in debt relief......

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  • If you received a Pell Grant in college and meet the income threshold, you will be eligible for up to $20,000 in debt relief.
 
That may have true in the past, but no longer. Back in the 1960s-70s and maybe into the 80s, companies looked upon any degree as a sign of commitment and dedication. Therefore, many companies hired young people with no education or experience in that particular field because they felt that they could learn quickly and would be good employees.
However, now you have tons of young people with degrees in things like Interpretative Dance or maybe Gender Studies and such that have absolutely no correlation with today's business or working world. Nobody wants to hire them. These are the ones drowning in debt.
Not all careers require college but the workplace is increasingly complex. A 4-year degree indicates the person could stick with something through completion, and can probably read and write, depending of course upon the institution, with exceptions. Grades will tell a story. Some humanities degrees in the mix of science and technical degrees are a good thing. Military experience does much the same. Hiring a veteran is a pretty safe bet. College graduates, a maybe.
 
Not all careers require college but the workplace is increasingly complex. A 4-year degree indicates the person could stick with something through completion, and can probably read and write, depending of course upon the institution, with exceptions. Grades will tell a story. Some humanities degrees in the mix of science and technical degrees are a good thing. Military experience does much the same. Hiring a veteran is a pretty safe bet. College graduates, a maybe.

former military (to me) would be more disciplined, than an "entitled twit"
 
Yeah, but just because you agree with what he was doing doesn't mean we should grant the POTUS unilateral power to do it.
That I agree with.

But speaking as someone who paid off his student loans as soon as he could, I have absolutely no problems with eliminating it for current debt holders…or even making higher ed free across the board; you just need the skills to get admitted.
 
That I agree with.

But speaking as someone who paid off his student loans as soon as he could, I have absolutely no problems with eliminating it for current debt holders…or even making higher ed free across the board; you just need the skills to get admitted.
I wouldn't either as long as it was merit based. Carried a 4.0 in high school, first 2 years at Jr. College are free. Carry a 4.0 there, your BA is free, etc..

My wife has 3 degrees and I have an AA. I didn't have any student loans, but we are still paying on one of my wife's loans.
 
I have a relative that was a freeloading perpetual “student“. Never make a ton of money but enough to keep entitlements flowing. Popped around school to school on grants, not exactly student debt, but it became that school was a way out of working.…and there were girls.
Though not living the life of Riley and true commune-ist attitude, felt why try to join the “establishment-class” when he can do alright on the free stuff, his plight all goes back to the free lovin’ 70’s. To this day it doesn’t bother him one bit he lives on supplemental support from Uncle Sam‘s nieces and nephews gainfully employed.

That said, wasn’t too long ago I overheard a conversation between able bodied citizen and a governmental official as to why his monthly SSI stipend was halted. Come to be a non-citizen used his social security number to attain employment to the point that income put the recipient out of governmental support. All he needed to regain the SSI monthlies was documentation that he was a victim of ident theft. That simple. Gov doesn’t investigate and whatever free program they are to offer, 99% never get audited, verified, or checked out for life….unless a 1099 submitted with the 1040 says otherwise.
 
I wouldn't either as long as it was merit based. Carried a 4.0 in high school, first 2 years at Jr. College are free. Carry a 4.0 there, your BA is free, etc..

My wife has 3 degrees and I have an AA. I didn't have any student loans, but we are still paying on one of my wife's loans.
Isn't that what they call "scholarship"? My youngest daughter, who is now an MD, had grades and scores in the stratosphere, and 2 years college credits, when she finished high school. (She gets her smarts from her mother). She had a pile of full ride scholarships based on merit. I like the idea of moving toward a meritocracy.
 
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Isn't that what they call "scholarship"? My youngest daughter, who is now an MD, had grades and scores in the stratosphere, and 2 years college credits, when she finished high school. (She gets her smarts from her mother). She had a pile of full ride scholarships based on merit. I like the idea of moving toward a meritocracy.

My wife got a full academic scholarship to her choice of state colleges. She wanted to go to Rolla for engineering, but she ended up at UMSL and is now a CPA. And we are still paying the loan off. Seems a full scholarship isn't always actually a full scholarship. She still had to pay for books, lab fees, parking ( which parking was about a grand per semester) and other stuff.
 
The reason why college is so expensive is because the very same professors who are all about socialism, and who want to blame capitalism for everything, are pulling in six figures themselves. Now, why is that? How about they take a substantial cut in pay to make it more affordable for students? Oh, perish the thought. They feel they are entitled to that high pay and high standard of living. Either they practice what they preach, or they sit down and shut up.
And I have a big problem with any company getting "bailed out" by the government. If Chevy, Ford, Dodge, etc are too poorly run to be profitable, let them sink. Life is neither easy or fair, regardless of your belief system. Life is life.

People have been brainwashed, by these colleges and highly paid professors, to believe that the only way to succeed and survive, is with a "higher education". I'm sorry, but little Suzy or Johnny may not be cut out for a college degree to be a doctor, lawyer, etc. They may not have the intellectual chops to do those things. It doesn't make them stupid or losers. It means they have other abilities for a career. So they become a mechanic, a welder, a plumber, etc. If they apply themselves and have the will, they could own their own company some day doing what they do. People need to stop looking down on the trades, and being honest about what their children are really capable of. Children need to be taught the reality of life. You aren't going to go out into the world making six figures once you graduate. Nobody is going to hand you a good paying job on a silver platter. You may never make six figures. But if you have a decent paying job, live according you your means, and put your family above all else, you are successful. People think being rich means happiness and success. Yet the rich never seem to be able to be happy with and appreciate what they have. Rich does not always equal happiness. If being rich was the answer, you wouldn't have so many miserable and unsatisfied rich people. If we were all Nuclear Physicists, who would unclog our toilets? But, I digress.
 
The Wright Brothers never went to college for engineering, Orville started in the printing trade, then convinced his brother to open a print shop with him. They actually designed and built printing presses. They owned a bicycle repair shop and built bicycles, then eventually built the first successful airplane. Not one second spent in a college classroom. Grew up in the public education system.
 
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The Wright Brothers never went to college for engineering, Orville started in the printing trade, then convinced his brother to open a print shop with him. They actually designed and built printing presses. The owned a bicycle repair shop and built bicycles, then eventually built the first successful airplane. Not one second spent in a college classroom. Grew up in the public education system.
Yes and they could read and write when they left the public education system.
 
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