Bassbob
Emissary
Please provide info on how Ukraine was even remotely a democratic society prior to the invasion by Putin.
Ukraine Liberates Kherson
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Bassbob
Emissary
Quick Google search on Zelensky corruption brought a lot of stuff up. Including this.
www.wilsoncenter.org
Google search on Zelensky despot yielded even more. Google Tucker Carlson's opinion of him. That's interesting as well.
Just Like All the Others: The End of the Zelensky Alternative?
Google search on Zelensky despot yielded even more. Google Tucker Carlson's opinion of him. That's interesting as well.
Talyn
SAINT
The Ukrainians have been trying since they achieved independence but decades of corruption from Soviet influences are hard to change. The same has happened in other Eastern European countries after the fall of the USSR. Change can happen slowly when it's deeply rooted.
It's no difference than the corruption that's deeply rooted in certain US cities that have been run by a certain party for decades.
The Ukrainians had their 2014 Revolution.
Revolution of Dignity - Wikipedia
They voted for Zelensky in order to deal with corruption.
Zelensky: The Promises of Ukraine's New President - Impakter
Volodymyr Zelensky: The Promises of Ukraine's New President.
impakter.com
Then the Russians attacked as a follow-up to the 2014 attacks.
In a fashion the current war is helping to root-out Russian sympathizers.
And it took decades for Japan & Germany to change after WW2.
Bassbob
Emissary
Dude is a scheister T man. I'm not saying we wasting 54 billion dollars ( so far), but I think we wasted 54 billion dollars so far.The Ukrainians have been trying since they achieved independence but decades of corruption from Soviet influences are hard to change. The same has happened in other Eastern European countries after the fall of the USSR. Change can happen slowly when it's deeply rooted.
It's no difference than the corruption that's deeply rooted in certain US cities that have been run by a certain party for decades.
The Ukrainians had their 2014 Revolution.
Revolution of Dignity - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
They voted for Zelensky in order to deal with corruption.
Zelensky: The Promises of Ukraine's New President - Impakter
Volodymyr Zelensky: The Promises of Ukraine's New President.
Then the Russians attacked as a follow-up to the 2014 attacks.
In a fashion the current war is helping to root-out Russian sympathizers.
And it took decades for Japan & Germany to change after WW2.
Talyn
SAINT
Tucker Carlson has a near-psychotic obsession with Ukraine. He should register as a foreign agent.Quick Google search on Zelensky corruption brought a lot of stuff up. Including this.
Just Like All the Others: The End of the Zelensky Alternative?
Google search on Zelensky despot yielded even more. Google Tucker Carlson's opinion of him. That's interesting as well.
If Carlson had any balls he's get out of his basement & go to Ukraine himself and see what's going on there.
Talyn
SAINT
I'm more concerned about the disaster that's currently occupying the White House & the folks pulling his strings.
I have no problem giving the Ukrainians the resources to defend their country from the Russians.
They're fighting & dying not US troopers
Talyn
SAINT
I've been a fan of T. Carlson for a long, long time but he's off the wall in regard to Ukraine.
He's gotten so popular he thinks he's the big dog on TV, but that's happened to others when they thought the same.
Ukraine will be the defeat of Putin. Russia is a dying country if you look at the demographics.
He's gotten so popular he thinks he's the big dog on TV, but that's happened to others when they thought the same.
Ukraine will be the defeat of Putin. Russia is a dying country if you look at the demographics.
Hammer67
Professional
With all due respect, Bob, Carlson is a pundit and talking head. I wouldn't consider him a serious journalist, and I sure as heck wouldn't consider him an educated geopolitical analyst who truly understands what is going on internationally. But he is very talented at being a talking head and getting people riled up, I'll give him that.
This isn't my thread, but for whatever my vote counts, I'd say let's keep domestic politics out of it. I know that for some people, the two topics are inseparable, but let's at least try to keep them separate before this devolves into something else, please.
Bassbob
Emissary
True enough.
I am not a pundit, but I did spend a few years at college studying Russian history, among other things of course, but I am a Russophile and I have many college credits to prove it. I mention this only so you understand that I am not repeating things I heard on the TV ( I don't watch TV incidentally). I also haven't been in school in quite a few years, but I do keep fairly current in world events and that includes Russia and eastern Europe. Without going into too great of detail you have to keep in mind a few things. First, there is a sizable percentage of the population of Ukraine who consider themselves Russian. And after all, prior to 1991 the vast majority of history has named the people in that land Russian. Their language ( "Little Russian") is more or less Russian, just another dialect. (The same goes for Uzbekistan and many other countries that are situated in the Russian sphere of influence). And even though some of those people have decided they want independence from Russia, they have never been interested in democracy. At least not until now, when they need help from the west. It's also almost certain that if they are successful in retaining their independence they will not in the end wind up being a democratic society. And Zelensky is provably corrupt and the government under him and before him has proved itself to be ridiculously corrupt.
It's only fair though point out that none of this stuff would have happened in the first place if western powers and the Biden administration had not entertained the ridiculous notion that Ukraine should be admitted into or come under the protection of NATO. The Russian invasion is a direct result of this stupidity. What would the US do if Mexico decided it wanted to become a Russian protectorate ? Loaded question I know, at least with the current administration, but.......
Talyn
SAINT
Examples of out-of-service and/or older weapon system being provided to Ukraine as part of the "draw-down" process.
militaryleak.com
The value assigned to these will be rolled back into buying new weapons for US Forces as part of the Congressional funding authority to Ukraine.
Also, part of that authority is to compensate the NATO countries that have supplied Ukraine with weapons.
US Defense Department Supplies Ukraine with HAWK and Avenger Air Defense Systems - MilitaryLeak.COM
Missiles for the HAWK air defense system, along with four Avenger air defense systems and Stinger missiles are headed to Ukraine as part of a presidential
militaryleak.com
The value assigned to these will be rolled back into buying new weapons for US Forces as part of the Congressional funding authority to Ukraine.
Also, part of that authority is to compensate the NATO countries that have supplied Ukraine with weapons.
SaltyMonkey
Professional
I appreciate your post and knowledge.
I understand the first initial waves of funding and supplies were universally backed by our representatives. It was my understanding that more recent pledges and commitments were “Executive” decisions.
Talyn
SAINT
More Kherson info & vids.
www.thedrive.com
Ukraine Situation Report: Russia's Demolition Of Roadway Over Dam Seen In Incredible Video (Updated)
Russia is preparing for a heavily fortified defense of what territory remains between the frontline and Crimea.
www.thedrive.com
Talyn
SAINT
As with all bills passed by Congress the Executive office then has the authority to act upon that authority.
An Executive Action cannot be legit unless it's tied to an existing Act of Congress. However, some "Executives" try to take liberties with interpreting those bills (past & present).
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Recusant
Hellcat
Well, it looks like Russia has finally stepped in a big pile of stuff. News outlets are reporting Russian missiles struck Poland today and killed 2 of its citizens. Who thinks that the U.S. and Nato will look the other way and decline to use Article 5? Stay tuned on the edge of your seat to find out. We certainly live in interesting times!
www.foxnews.com
Russian missiles cross into NATO member Poland, kill 2: senior US intelligence official
Russian missiles hit NATO territory and kill two after crossing shared Polish border with Ukraine.
SaltyMonkey
Professional
Ukraine was hit pretty hard today. Pooty is pushin dodojoes buttons.
Talyn
SAINT
Missile Hits Poland After Crossing Ukraine Border: Reports
The incident raises longstanding concerns about the war spilling beyond Ukraine's borders into a NATO member nation.
www.thedrive.com
Missiles accidentally landing in a Nato country wouldn't trigger a full blown Nato response because the intention wasn't to attack said country. I'm sure the more likely thing to happen is the military will be put on high alert and Russia will get hit with more sanctions.