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US Army UH-60 Blackhawk collides with PSA airliner in DC of the Potomac River.

Grayfox said:
I'm wondering as to why an Army Blackhawk was in that area?
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I got my answer on the evening news. It seems that military helicopters routinely shuttle high ranks and VIPs around the Washington area night and day. So naturally they train to do just that. Its was a routine training flight.
However, one thing kinda stuck out to me, but they didn't do any more than merely mention it in passing. Helicopters are generally limited to 200 feet or less. The collision happened at about 400 feet. Not sure how true this is, but that's what they said.
 
Grayfox said:
I got my answer on the evening news. It seems that military helicopters routinely shuttle high ranks and VIPs around the Washington area night and day. So naturally they train to do just that. Its was a routine training flight.
However, one thing kinda stuck out to me, but they didn't do any more than merely mention it in passing. Helicopters are generally limited to 200 feet or less. The collision happened at about 400 feet. Not sure how true this is, but that's what they said.ft.
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You're right. The helicopter belongs to the 12th Avn Bn out of Belvoir and the bn is for transporting VIPs. I don't know about the 200 foot limit. I imagine it varies dpending on the area. When I was doing a lot of helicopter riding in Germany we would often go above the clouds if necessary.
 
The night before American Eagle Flight 5342 collided with an Army Black Hawk helicopter near Reagan National Airport on Wednesday night, a jet that tried to land at the same airport had to circle around and make another approach after a helicopter approached its flight path, according to reports.

The Washington Post reported that an audio recording from air traffic control captured the encounter, and ultimately, Republic Airways Flight 4514 landed safely, flight tracking software shows.

As to Wednesday’s crash, officials said they believe there are no survivors.

Responders continue to sort through the wreckage in search of remains. In total, there were 67 people on board the helicopter and airliner, combined.
 
Grayfox said:
I got my answer on the evening news. It seems that military helicopters routinely shuttle high ranks and VIPs around the Washington area night and day. So naturally they train to do just that. Its was a routine training flight.
However, one thing kinda stuck out to me, but they didn't do any more than merely mention it in passing. Helicopters are generally limited to 200 feet or less. The collision happened at about 400 feet. Not sure how true this is, but that's what they said.
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Yep, heard that on the news tonight.
Had been wondering why a training flight was in the exclusion zone
 
HayesGreener said:
I read earlier that the tower was understaffed, I wonder if that will prove to be a factor. In my experience, fatal aviation mishaps usually result from a perfect storm of multiple failures or factors converging at just the right moment.
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From what I heard today was that the ATC dealing with the passenger jet and the helicopter had just had his work load doubled because it was a slow night and they let someone go home early.
 
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Mid-Air Collision Shines Light On Doomsday Plans For Nation's Capital

The Army UH-60 Black Hawk that collided with an airliner was assigned to a specialized unit with a continuity of government mission.
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Ex-Military Helicopter Pilots Explain The Challenges Of Flying Over The Capital

We spoke with highly-experienced helicopter pilots who have operated over Washington, D.C., to get their thoughts on the tragic mid-air collision.
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This article (below) has a good breakdown of relevant questions & info of the incident, and the complexity of the DC airspace.

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"Elevation Issue" With UH-60 That Collided With CRJ700 Over Potomac Being Investigated: SECDEF

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said the Black Hawk was manned by "a fairly experienced crew" conducting nighttime continuity of government training.
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Here’s What Air Traffic Collision Avoidance Systems Can And Can’t Do

While the Traffic Collision Avoidance System, or TCAS, was introduced as a backup to help prevent mid-air collisions, it has its limitations. While the Traffic Collision Avoidance System, or TCAS, was introduced as a backup to help prevent mid-air collisions, it has its limitations.
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You may not like the way Trump talks, he does have diarrhea of the mouth, but usually there’s some truth in what he says.

Watch the FAA recruitment videos from 2 years ago. Qualified applicants were denied jobs because they didn’t meet diversity requirements. That’s a fact. And in the end they only met 1% of their goal anyway. So explain to me what value “unique cultural experiences “ brings to the job of an air traffic controller ? Anyone ?
 
Bassbob said:
You may not like the way Trump talks, he does have diarrhea of the mouth, but usually there’s some truth in what he says.

Watch the FAA recruitment videos from 2 years ago. Qualified applicants were denied jobs because they didn’t meet diversity requirements. That’s a fact. And in the end they only met 1% of their goal anyway. So explain to me what value “unique cultural experiences “ brings to the job of an air traffic controller ? Anyone ?
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No argument from me, that job is very stressful, and the person should be highly qualified to do it. a lot of people's lives are in their hands. If a gay person is qualified to do it then fine, but don't put somebody there just cause they are gay.
 
Also if that is the case, the ones who hired those unqualified people needs to be fired. or maybe even prosecuted. i really hope that wasn't the cause of it though. Those black boxes should tell them a lot more of what happened. someone made a big mistake. whether it's a pilot or control tower. It's a sad deal either way, but if it was caused by placement of unqualified personnel then heads need to roll.
 
Belt Fed said:
Also if that is the case, the ones who hired those unqualified people needs to be fired. or maybe even prosecuted. i really hope that wasn't the cause of it though. Those black boxes should tell them a lot more of what happened. someone made a big mistake. whether it's a pilot or control tower. It's a sad deal either way, but if it was caused by placement of unqualified personnel then heads need to roll.
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We know the ATC was doing two jobs at the time of the crash. Definitely not SOP. They also had another incident with a helicopter the day before.
 
Where ever the blame ends up laying, whatever the fix. It's gotta be fixed now. This is obviously a national tragedy but next time, it could be even larger scale, a fully loaded 767 filled with aviation fuel over say a school filled with kids, or some type large protest rally. It cannot be allowed a second time.
 
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