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When it’s ethical but legally questionable

The Night Rider said:
Why not cut its throat?
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A few years ago I was Deer hunting out of a tree stand. I spotted a spike in some bushes, just could see the top of his back. I shot he went down immediately. I left my rifle in the stand went about a 100 yards and found him. He was still alive but paralyzed. The poor thing was looking up at me. I had no choice, had to cut his throat. I've seen a lot of bad stuff in my life but this little spike got to me. I haven't hunted anything since then. I'm not against hunting, I just don't anymore.
 
rcurtner said:
A few years ago I was Deer hunting out of a tree stand. I spotted a spike in some bushes, just could see the top of his back. I shot he went down immediately. I left my rifle in the stand went about a 100 yards and found him. He was still alive but paralyzed. The poor thing was looking up at me. I had no choice, had to cut his throat. I've seen a lot of bad stuff in my life but this little spike got to me. I haven't hunted anything since then. I'm not against hunting, I just don't anymore.
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Very similar situation here. It's been 6 seasons since I hunted. I decided about 11 seasons ago that when my dad could no longer hunt, I was done. It was the last thing he loved to do that he was able to still do and the only thing left that we could do together. Even with me driving to within 20 yards of his blind ( which I furnished with a heater and a comfortable chair) it eventually was too much for him. Getting up early, in the cold, the walk to the blind. The last year we hunted I was able to kill a deer and convince him he had killed it. He knew it was his last year and he wanted to kill a nice one. So he did. :)
The last several deer I killed I found myself feeling bad. Ashamed almost. The times I hunted and didn't kill a deer was because I didn't want to kill a deer. I do miss the woods, but I will never kill another animal unless I absolutely have to. I understand the need for deer populations to be checked and I have no quarrel with legal, ethical hunting. I'm just not going to do it.
 
Jfal said:
It's amazing how hard you can hit a deer and they continue on running. And probably dying in agony later...if only those stupid deer whistles from the 80's actually worked...
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I know exactly the ones you're talking about! Yeah, nice gimmick...
Bassbob said:
Very similar situation here. It's been 6 seasons since I hunted. I decided about 11 seasons ago that when my dad could no longer hunt, I was done. It was the last thing he loved to do that he was able to still do and the only thing left that we could do together. Even with me driving to within 20 yards of his blind ( which I furnished with a heater and a comfortable chair) it eventually was too much for him. Getting up early, in the cold, the walk to the blind. The last year we hunted I was able to kill a deer and convince him he had killed it. He knew it was his last year and he wanted to kill a nice one. So he did. :)
The last several deer I killed I found myself feeling bad. Ashamed almost. The times I hunted and didn't kill a deer was because I didn't want to kill a deer. I do miss the woods, but I will never kill another animal unless I absolutely have to. I understand the need for deer populations to be checked and I have no quarrel with legal, ethical hunting. I'm just not going to do it.
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I totally get you.
 
Bassbob said:
Very similar situation here. It's been 6 seasons since I hunted. I decided about 11 seasons ago that when my dad could no longer hunt, I was done. It was the last thing he loved to do that he was able to still do and the only thing left that we could do together. Even with me driving to within 20 yards of his blind ( which I furnished with a heater and a comfortable chair) it eventually was too much for him. Getting up early, in the cold, the walk to the blind. The last year we hunted I was able to kill a deer and convince him he had killed it. He knew it was his last year and he wanted to kill a nice one. So he did. :)
The last several deer I killed I found myself feeling bad. Ashamed almost. The times I hunted and didn't kill a deer was because I didn't want to kill a deer. I do miss the woods, but I will never kill another animal unless I absolutely have to. I understand the need for deer populations to be checked and I have no quarrel with legal, ethical hunting. I'm just not going to do it.
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Damn Bassbob, that was an extremely tough time. I can only imagine your Dad probably new he didn't have a lot of time left and hunting with his son was a great place to be. Hat's off to ya.
 
I run into this situation more than I like. I always carry an axe in the veh. for this reason, among others. No gunshot noise, no discharging a firearm on the roadway, no hunting license worries, etc. I always call the game warden AFTER the fact. You want to ticket and fine me for keeping an animal from suffering, well Okay. Just don't be surprised if it doesn't end there.
 
Before I retired, I worked in a remote area where deer and cows were frequently struck by passing cars. I'd get the 0200 call to drive 75 miles to find the animal already dead and I'd move it off the roadway and notify AZ Game & Fish. The vehicle that struck the animal was long gone.

I had to dispatch a horse with a broken leg which fell off a flat bed truck from the reservation on the way to be slaughtered. I had an SO command lounge lizard try to persuade me not to shoot the injured horse and call Livestock. That would have been several hours of wait and unnecessary suffering. It's leg was obviously broken and the horse suffering. The horse was tied to a bush by the two reservation fools who tried to contain the horse on the flatbed. If the horse had pulled free from the bush and struck by a vehicle, it would likely involve liability to the county and the state. I've dispatched dogs struck on the freeway and a cow struck on state highway.

I would never refer a person for a criminal complaint who has tried to relieve the suffering of an injured animal. If it was on state highway, it was my jurisdiction to decide how to handle the situation.

A sharp knife would be my suggestion, quick and would not arouse any nearby residents.
 
az4783054 said:
I would never refer a person for a criminal complaint who has tried to relieve the suffering of an injured animal.
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I concur completely. I seem to recall three instances in bucolic settings when I could have, should have, and I suppose was basically expected to cite average, caring individuals on such a call. Being satisfied after a solid check of the situation, I thanked them, made carcass arrangements, and returned to work.
 
Found a hit deer on the side of the road one night years ago. We were way out in the countryside and my kids were having a fit about it. Called the Sheriff and told them the situation. They said there were no deputies available and I was clear to dispatch the animal. Got a case # and name of the agent and took care of the deer. Man that was a life lesson I was not prepared to deal with, with the kids. The deer took 5 min to deal with start to finish, the kids took weeks to stop being mad at me and understand reason.
 
OkiePewPew said:
Found a hit deer on the side of the road one night years ago. We were way out in the countryside and my kids were having a fit about it. Called the Sheriff and told them the situation. They said there were no deputies available and I was clear to dispatch the animal. Got a case # and name of the agent and took care of the deer. Man that was a life lesson I was not prepared to deal with, with the kids. The deer took 5 min to deal with start to finish, the kids took weeks to stop being mad at me and understand reason.
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I hit a doe on the highway about a mile from my house one time when my daughter was about 10. I didn’t have a sharp knife so I had to break her neck. The kid helped me load her up then helped me hang her in a tree and bone her out. I got a picture somewhere. Kid has a smile a mile wide on her face.
 
Bassbob said:
I hit a doe on the highway about a mile from my house one time when my daughter was about 10. I didn’t have a sharp knife so I had to break her neck. The kid helped me load her up then helped me hang her in a tree and bone her out. I got a picture somewhere. Kid has a smile a mile wide on her face.
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Yeah my kids are indoor pets lol
 
In my state you can get a free "wildlife salvage" permit from the state agency.

Only deer, elk, moose and antelope killed in a vehicle collision can be legally salvaged. Anyone who receives a permit and salvages a road-killed animal is required to remove the entire animal from where it is found. Parts or viscera cannot be left at the site.

However, a person may not kill an injured or wounded animal that they encounter for the purpose of salvage. A law enforcement officer may, however, when on the scene of a collision, kill an animal injured in the collision and that animal may be taken for salvage.
 
Sadly in Illinois the laws are a gray area, left up to the individual officer interpretation of said law. One officer may be fine with what you are doing, and the next officer will write you a ticket.
Mid-afternoon on a rural unpaved road, pulled off the road just watching a herd of 30 whitetail deer 300 yards away. No Fireams in the truck. Illinois DNR pulls up and wrote me a ticket for harassing wildlife!
 
yotehtr said:
Sadly in Illinois the laws are a gray area, left up to the individual officer interpretation of said law. One officer may be fine with what you are doing, and the next officer will write you a ticket.
Mid-afternoon on a rural unpaved road, pulled off the road just watching a herd of 30 whitetail deer 300 yards away. No Fireams in the truck. Illinois DNR pulls up and wrote me a ticket for harassing wildlife!
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Well, that’s just dumb. That kind of thing is what gives LE a bad name. :mad:
 
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