preventec47
Alpha
I see the Browning Hi Power and the 1911 as essentially the same. Since Springfield has a 9mm 1911 why
go to the trouble of the SA-35 Browning Hi Power copy ?
go to the trouble of the SA-35 Browning Hi Power copy ?
Why introduce the SA 35 if 1911 9mm exists ?
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Old_Me
SAINT
i would imagine there was enough "call for" a replica of the Hi Power??
you do realize too, that nearly every other gun company now has some sort of Hi Power as well, and many of those are polymer..?? does that take away from the originality of an all metal Hi Power..?? i think so.
now that i have a SA-35, i can "see" the wanting for one. smooth action, well balanced, very little to no recoil, hammer fired.
much like my CZ 75 B.. smooth, as silk.
gun collectors or avid shooters like the old styles, with some modern features, but still close to the original way it was built...like all metal...
i'd not give 2¢ for a polymer Hi Power clone............
as far as 1911's in 9mm..??
i am somewhat a "traditionalist" and think 1911's ought to be .45 ACP only, oh yeah, and all metal too.
same as the M1A rifle, i'd prefer wooden stock, over any "plastic" any day of the week, and twice on Sundays..
"traditional looks" for me
you do realize too, that nearly every other gun company now has some sort of Hi Power as well, and many of those are polymer..?? does that take away from the originality of an all metal Hi Power..?? i think so.
now that i have a SA-35, i can "see" the wanting for one. smooth action, well balanced, very little to no recoil, hammer fired.
much like my CZ 75 B.. smooth, as silk.
gun collectors or avid shooters like the old styles, with some modern features, but still close to the original way it was built...like all metal...
i'd not give 2¢ for a polymer Hi Power clone............
as far as 1911's in 9mm..??
i am somewhat a "traditionalist" and think 1911's ought to be .45 ACP only, oh yeah, and all metal too.
same as the M1A rifle, i'd prefer wooden stock, over any "plastic" any day of the week, and twice on Sundays..
"traditional looks" for me
HayesGreener
Ronin
Browning's Hi-Power made in Belgium is thought by many to be Browning's finest handgun. It is historically significant, having been carried by many law enforcement agencies and militaries in its day, including some units of our own military. A few people I know carry them concealed to this day. They are exceptionally accurate in the right hands. Magazine capacity was a big draw-it was the first high-capacity handgun in wide use. I bit of trivia, Gaston Glock developed the Glock pistol in response to the Austrian military's need to replace their Hi-Powers at the end of their service life. When I was in Vietnam and Thailand during that war the Hi-Power was in high demand by pilots who did not believe their revolvers gave them enough firepower on the ground. When I was doing protection details in the military in the 70's, I learned that the Hi-Power was issued to many U.S. General Officers. It is a fine, storied firearm to be admired for its superb design, engineering, and reliability. Now if only the companies producing replicas could just replicate the precision and quality of the originals.
youngolddude
Professional
The Hi Power is about an inch shorter than the 1911 and has more standard capacity. Both modern versions have larger sights and shoot hollow points without a trip to a gunsmith. Some folks are not fans of the 1911 platform, but do like the HP features. Manufacturers introduce new models in hopes of selling them, in this case, SA perceives a market for this gun. They do have some teething issues, but should resolve them.
Its a classic for sure. I have a Hi-Power Practical that is an exceptional firearm and shoots great. The only negative thing I have ever heard about the original is that certain military would only allow 12 rounds in the 13 round mag so as not to cause feeding problems. So sad to hear about the many problems in the new SA=35. I hope they all get fixed . Still curious if the new 17 round mags will work in the original guns.
Old_Me
SAINT
slightly off the beaten path here, but i watch a LOT of old tv cops shows, one being, Highway Patrol, with Broderick Crawford.
every time i see a bad guy, he either has a revolver or what i thought to be a 1911....
now, i am wondering if the bad guys "semi automatic" is indeed a Hi Power.
i cannot really tell from a distance on a small tv screen, and we all know Hollywood, and the guns that never run out of "bullets"....
anyone know the approximate decade when 1911's AND Hi Powers became available to the general public, rather than military only..??
HayesGreener
Ronin
The Hi Power was first produced in 1935 and the German military used a lot of them. Many made it back to the U.S. with American troops following the war. There was a commercial civilian market for them in the U.S. after the war. P-38's were also popular and ultimately inspired the DA/SA pistols (M39) produced by S&W.
preventec47
Alpha
But to me the 1911 and the Browning Hi Power if both in 9mm seemed the same. I can see now that the primary
functional difference is that the Hi Power is double stack. Yes higher capacity is significant and I thought that
the 1911 came in optional double stack also for the 9mm but I was wrong. As far as being all steel, long barrel and single
action... I see the 1911 and the HiPower being about the same. The safety switch operates the same doesnt it ?
Does the Hi Power have the grip safety like the 1911 ?
functional difference is that the Hi Power is double stack. Yes higher capacity is significant and I thought that
the 1911 came in optional double stack also for the 9mm but I was wrong. As far as being all steel, long barrel and single
action... I see the 1911 and the HiPower being about the same. The safety switch operates the same doesnt it ?
Does the Hi Power have the grip safety like the 1911 ?
HayesGreener
Ronin
No grip safety on the Hi Power
Old_Me
SAINT
i'm taking my SA-35 to the range monday, (tomorrow, unless something interrupts that plan), and i'm going to put another 75 rds thru it, i'll let you know.
right now, it has, 350 rounds, all new factory ammo.
Old_Me
SAINT
makes sense then, that i might very well be seeing them in 1950's police movies/tv shows.
thanks for the history.
Because there is a lot of folks that like the Hi Power. It had a significant History and with FN dropping production SA saw an opportunity.
And with SA making it ready to go with most refinements shooters want (no mag safety, extended thumb safety, better sights etc)
It will have its place in a lot of shooters collection
And with SA making it ready to go with most refinements shooters want (no mag safety, extended thumb safety, better sights etc)
It will have its place in a lot of shooters collection
Annihilator
Emissary
The High Power was John Brownings final handgun design, it was an improvement over his 1911 design, even though he passed before it was finished. The 1911 was designed around the .45acp round, which he designed also, the High Power was designed for the 9mm, if you remember most early 1911’s in 9mm had lots of issues, some still do. The High Power was probably one if not the greatest 9mm handgun in its time, double stack, high capacity.
Snake45
Professional
Well, there's your problem right there.
Sld1959
Ronin
Well, they are similar , but there are considerable design differences. If you get the opportunity shoot both and see for yourself. They are not the same.
They have been made by various companies, issued by various military and police forces, and used by many fans for many years as completely different pistols. Similar and dissimilar one could say as a Colt and Smith revolver. Actually more different...
Obviously, there is enough difference, and demand for them as separate designs for a company known for 1911s to bring out the Hi Power design in thier line up.
To completely answer your question they brought it out because they believe it will make them money...
Domar1291
Master Class
Well most dont want to hear this but its an improvement over the 1911 design, some gun gurus have written if this would've been 1st, the 1911 would never exist. I think thats a stretch to say. But u have to admit john browning was an amazing inventor/designer his designs are still around and in use thats a huge hats off to him
preventec47
Alpha
I dont see how you can tell a difference in operation if they are both single action.
Could it be trigger feel ? They weigh similar the recoil has to be similar shooting the same ammo.
Sights ? I doubt that could be a big difference. So it has to boil down to no grip safety and increased
capacity mags.
Could it be trigger feel ? They weigh similar the recoil has to be similar shooting the same ammo.
Sights ? I doubt that could be a big difference. So it has to boil down to no grip safety and increased
capacity mags.
Annihilator
Emissary
Big difference, sights are bigger on the HP then the original 1911, trigger is quite different, the HP has no swinging link like
the 1911 does, so recoil is a bit different, no barrel bushing. So with your last post, are you saying all single action pistols are the same as a 1911?
the 1911 does, so recoil is a bit different, no barrel bushing. So with your last post, are you saying all single action pistols are the same as a 1911?
preventec47
Alpha
No not the original 1911, but todays improved Springfields. I did not know about the barrel bushing but I doubt when you shoot a gun you can tell if there is a barrel bushing or not. For some reason the HiPower repro is a couple hundred
bucks less than the Springfield from what I see. Why is that ?
Annihilator
Emissary
Which repo are you referring to, only one I know is the Girson and maybe the EAA version, those two I mentioned are completely made in Turkey by Tisas, now the Springfield, the slide, frame and barrel are forged by Tisas, but all the machining, fitting, finish and such are done here by Springfield, that’s more then likely why to other two are somewhat cheaper