Most of my USAF M15 shooting was SA, at 25 yards, with M41 ball (130 FMJ) or Winchester 148 WCs. I know we shot two "advanced" courses in tech school, which involved at least some DA shooting, but I don't remember ever teaching them.
I've never owned an M15, but I do have two M19s, two M66s, and two M17s. I shoot them both ways. I like the SA for accuracy testing and long-range plinking, and DA for most shooting at 25 yards and less.
On the Indiana qualification course it actually states at the 35 yard stage that folks with hammer fired Daa/SA can cock the hammer. I’m not a fan but not my program. When I run my Sig 226 I never cock the hammer on my HK 45 it’s an LEM so I couldn't if I wanted to but the LEM light is only a 5 pound break just has some longer travel for that first shot but resets and stays cocked like a SA
Many us had little or no choice. Many agencies and departments were afraid to allow anything other than .38 round nose rounds even in guns built for magnums. My particular beef was several federal agencies issuing the "Hoover Special" 3" stamped "Property of the US Dept of Justice" being issued to undercover agents.Yeah, older cops sure seem to like their revolvers.
I worked a summer job in the conservation area at the Illinois State Fair near a gate that was a state trooper's post. We became friends and he was thrilled to have the new Model 39 duty pistol. He told me of troopers saving themselves by hitting the mag release during a gun grab. Later as an LEO and instructor I was heavily influenced by the ISP firearms training unit in our selection of the Model 669/6906 as a duty pistol, and selection of Winchester +P duty ammo. I believe I spoke to Cavanaugh during that process and he sent me their research and justification process. Not commonly known, a big selling point was their desire to standardize off duty weapons. Troopers were required to be armed on and off duty, and off duty gun qualification scores with a myriad of off duty guns was dismal. Their solution was a duty gun that was suitably concealable as an off duty gun, and the Model 39 fit the bill with its flat profile. My PD adopted the ISP policy and the 669 became our on and off duty carry pistol. We were the first agency in our area to issue semi-autos and our recruits swept academy shooting awards with them.Many us had little or no choice. Many agencies and departments were afraid to allow anything other than .38 round nose rounds even in guns built for magnums. My particular beef was several federal agencies issuing the "Hoover Special" 3" stamped "Property of the US Dept of Justice" being issued to undercover agents.
I had a friend in charge of firearms training for a large sheriff's department where it was a fireable offense to even carry hollow points or .357 magnums on your person.
All this at a time when it was perfectly permissible to shoot a suspected felon in the back out of a moving car if they tried to flee. Different times.
Many agents and officers have no idea of the debt they owe the now deceased Illinois State Police officer Jerry Cavanaugh who teamed up with Smith and Wesson to persuade ISP to switch to semi autos which started the stampede to semi auto belt guns in law enforcement. Ask any old time IBI or ISP alum about Jerry. Print the legend.
By the time I was in we had went with the hotter PGU ball. I was fortunate to have Vietnam Vets as Flight Chiefs and CATM instructors that I felt trained me right. A couple had gave some VC dirt naps with their Model 15’s during Tet.
I wonder if any of your instructors were my classmates at USAF SAMTU in 1972. One of our instructors there was legendary for offing a Victor Charles with a personally-owned Browning P.35. The story was he pretty much did a mag dump into Charles, but I wasn't there and don't know if that was true. I know he DID have a scar on his chest from his navel to his throat (which supposedly came from the same incident), because I saw it. Two years ago when I had my stroke, they had to crack my chest to replace my mitral valves, and I had a scar that looked very much like his.
I wonder if any of your instructors were my classmates at USAF SAMTU in 1972. One of our instructors there was legendary for offing a Victor Charles with a personally-owned Browning P.35. The story was he pretty much did a mag dump into Charles, but I wasn't there and don't know if that was true. I know he DID have a scar on his chest from his navel to his throat (which supposedly came from the same incident), because I saw it. Two years ago when I had my stroke, they had to crack my chest to replace my mitral valves, and I had a scar that looked very much like his.
The Browning P35 was issued to general officers for a time and there were some floating around in SEA. They were a hot item among F4 pilots when I was at Udorn ThailandI wonder if any of your instructors were my classmates at USAF SAMTU in 1972. One of our instructors there was legendary for offing a Victor Charles with a personally-owned Browning P.35. The story was he pretty much did a mag dump into Charles, but I wasn't there and don't know if that was true. I know he DID have a scar on his chest from his navel to his throat (which supposedly came from the same incident), because I saw it. Two years ago when I had my stroke, they had to crack my chest to replace my mitral valves, and I had a scar that looked very much like his.
I know that my friend.Many us had little or no choice. Many agencies and departments were afraid to allow anything other than .38 round nose rounds even in guns built for magnums. My particular beef was several federal agencies issuing the "Hoover Special" 3" stamped "Property of the US Dept of Justice" being issued to undercover agents.
I had a friend in charge of firearms training for a large sheriff's department where it was a fireable offense to even carry hollow points or .357 magnums on your person.
All this at a time when it was perfectly permissible to shoot a suspected felon in the back out of a moving car if they tried to flee. Different times.
Many agents and officers have no idea of the debt they owe the now deceased Illinois State Police officer Jerry Cavanaugh who teamed up with Smith and Wesson to persuade ISP to switch to semi autos which started the stampede to semi auto belt guns in law enforcement. Ask any old time IBI or ISP alum about Jerry. Print the legend.
FBI had to have some excuse for their poor tactics, let’s put the blame on the ammo.
