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SigP320 Safety Problems Continue – Resulting In Bans from Police Training Ranges!

MN.Militia said:
Are the corners sharp, or rounded? If the edges are sharp, you might be OK but if rounded you'll only be safe with Israeli carry (empty chamber).
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I dunno

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Sig should be more diplomatic in their responses. Being called “the Dan Crenshaw of gun manufacturers” by the 2A gun community is a hard smear no manufacturer wants to be saddled with, especially when they have big gov contracts. I’m a Sig owner and love those guns. I own other makes and they’re cool too.

Maybe the market upheaval could elicit a conciliatory overture from Sig. Sig haters won’t be convinced but fence sitters and customers, could be negatively influenced simply by a caustic lawyer’s belligerent memo. They’re a huge company (bigger than HK?) and took care of my 1st Gen MCX w/o me asking for help. Good rifle. Smaller companies tend to be on top of QC but Sig reached out to me.

My P320 is 10mm, so I’m curious to know if it’s excluded from this issue. I’m hoping my armorer (if he knows Sigs) will shed some light.
 
rick3803 said:
Sig should be more diplomatic in their responses. Being called “the Dan Crenshaw of gun manufacturers” by the 2A gun community is a hard smear no manufacturer wants to be saddled with, especially when they have big gov contracts. I’m a Sig owner and love those guns. I own other makes and they’re cool too.

Maybe the market upheaval could elicit a conciliatory overture from Sig. Sig haters won’t be convinced but fence sitters and customers, could be negatively influenced simply by a caustic lawyer’s belligerent memo. They’re a huge company (bigger than HK?) and took care of my 1st Gen MCX w/o me asking for help. Good rifle. Smaller companies tend to be on top of QC but Sig reached out to me.

My P320 is 10mm, so I’m curious to know if it’s excluded from this issue. I’m hoping my armorer (if he knows Sigs) will shed some light.
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I’m not saying there were misdeeds done in the Military contracts however “that said” there were/are plenty of bad optics.

The M17/18 adopted in a cloud of controversy’s (General in charge retired and works for SIG) they sold it and then had to redo the trigger (which should have been addressed within the testing and trials) and I get price but wjem Glock beat them in everything else (and the Modular requirement has zero to do with removable FCU)

Then (again the ootic of recently retired General working for SIG) they win contract after contract!!!!!

And now documented no trigger pulled going off.

That said I read (so I’ll take that with a grain of salt) someone suggested DOGE getting involved which might be entertaining.


So if that does happen to happen I can see all the mothball Beretta M9’s coming out of storage until a plan B or C can be hatched.

I love my Sig 226 and have used various 220 series for duty and play for almost 31 years and just hope SIG survives this to keep them going as they are and have been great handguns.
 
I am privileged to call a lot of national level trainers friends. One is John Hearne and on his FB page tonight he has made probably the most rational statement I have seen in the whole debacle. He made it shareable so with his permission here is some screen shots.
 

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ECS686 said:
I am privileged to call a lot of national level trainers friends. One is John Hearne and on his FB page tonight he has made probably the most rational statement I have seen in the whole debacle. He made it shareable so with his permission here is some screen shots.
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Some valid points made, and some specifics that are missed (but brought up in the vids I posted). I'm thoroughly convinced that the real problem lies in the MIM'ed parts sourced from multiple 3rd world countries. When you have a specific and critical part (like a sear) that is coming from 2, 3 even 4 separate sources in different countries, you can have a QC nightmare...and it also explains why many 320's self-discharge and many do not. Once these components arrive at the Sig factory here in the USA and are assembled into the pistols, the end-user cannot possibly know where those critical compnents came from, or if the MIM'ed parts from a particular country are the problem. Having a double sear doesn't help as numerous cases and tests show that if the first edge fails to retain the striker, the 2nd won't catch it, either. All while holstered or otherwise not being handled.

What Sig OUGHT to do, going forward, is to fabricate these critical parts in the US and CNC them rather than use MIM. It would be better to add an extra $10-20 dollars to the final price tag than hemorrhage $$$ in legal costs. And although they apparently don't want to issue a recall under any circumstance (the so-called "upgrade" was offered as a voluntary repair because they've had so many dozens of lawsuits then & now that a recall would in the eyes of the courts and juries appear to be an admission of defects and therefore of guilt); they really need to put this issue to rest once & for all, for a plethora of reasons. They can call it a 2nd upgrade, call it whatever they like but they need to make it mandatory and simply swap out the existing critical components with CNC-machined parts.

At the end of the day, I believe that if Sig keeps jumping the shark on this issue, they'll eventually get a huge bite taken out of their collective ass. I say this with confidence because while Sig's legal stratagems have helped them in the past, enough users are being injured, crippled for life, and in a couple cases DIED from these UD's that juries are now deciding AGAINST Sig and awarding multiple millions of dollars to several of these plaintiffs.

A course correction also serves another benefit besides end-user safety. Fixing the root cause will moot the anti-gun Karens' arguments for repealing PLCAA, even if their arguments were valid. Take the wind out of their sails, and they will drift away!

Awrighty, I think we've beat this dead horse enough. The information has been presented, Arguments pro/con have been made and I think it's safe to say everyone has arrived at an opinion regardless. I think we can move on from this thread unless and until some earth-shattering breaking news happens.
 
MN.Militia said:
Some valid points made, and some specifics that are missed (but brought up in the vids I posted). I'm thoroughly convinced that the real problem lies in the MIM'ed parts sourced from multiple 3rd world countries. When you have a specific and critical part (like a sear) that is coming from 2, 3 even 4 separate sources in different countries, you can have a QC nightmare...and it also explains why many 320's self-discharge and many do not. Once these components arrive at the Sig factory here in the USA and are assembled into the pistols, the end-user cannot possibly know where those critical compnents came from, or if the MIM'ed parts from a particular country are the problem. Having a double sear doesn't help as numerous cases and tests show that if the first edge fails to retain the striker, the 2nd won't catch it, either. All while holstered or otherwise not being handled.

What Sig OUGHT to do, going forward, is to fabricate these critical parts in the US and CNC them rather than use MIM. It would be better to add an extra $10-20 dollars to the final price tag than hemorrhage $$$ in legal costs. And although they apparently don't want to issue a recall under any circumstance (the so-called "upgrade" was offered as a voluntary repair because they've had so many dozens of lawsuits then & now that a recall would in the eyes of the courts and juries appear to be an admission of defects and therefore of guilt); they really need to put this issue to rest once & for all, for a plethora of reasons. They can call it a 2nd upgrade, call it whatever they like but they need to make it mandatory and simply swap out the existing critical components with CNC-machined parts.

At the end of the day, I believe that if Sig keeps jumping the shark on this issue, they'll eventually get a huge bite taken out of their collective ass. I say this with confidence because while Sig's legal stratagems have helped them in the past, enough users are being injured, crippled for life, and in a couple cases DIED from these UD's that juries are now deciding AGAINST Sig and awarding multiple millions of dollars to several of these plaintiffs.

A course correction also serves another benefit besides end-user safety. Fixing the root cause will moot the anti-gun Karens' arguments for repealing PLCAA, even if their arguments were valid. Take the wind out of their sails, and they will drift away!

Awrighty, I think we've beat this dead horse enough. The information has been presented, Arguments pro/con have been made and I think it's safe to say everyone has arrived at an opinion regardless. I think we can move on from this thread unless and until some earth-shattering breaking news happens.
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When I got my Sig 1911, it was the last year Sig used tool steel for the internals, no MIM, but now there all like most manufactures, they now use MIM, if MIM is done right, there’s no issue, but if not, there soft, MIM can only be surfaced hardened.
 
ECS686 said:
I am privileged to call a lot of national level trainers friends. One is John Hearne and on his FB page tonight he has made probably the most rational statement I have seen in the whole debacle. He made it shareable so with his permission here is some screen shots.
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Unfortunately this will get little attention unless some assclown makes a totally sophomoric video and puts in YouTube whereupon the gun cognoscenti will run it up the flagpole.
 
SimonRL said:
Unfortunately this will get little attention unless some assclown makes a totally sophomoric video and puts in YouTube whereupon the gun cognoscenti will run it up the flagpole.
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Well several legitimate pages on social media is sharing like Primary Secondary TDI out of Ohio and Rangemaster certified Instructors and similar. Of course usually only the serious trainjng and firearms folks follow those everybody else you can’t help. I mean we are still hearing advice against shooting specials in magnums and after a shooting to drag the bodies back inside your house and those have been old news for 40 years!
 
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Sig Sauer Hits Back At Claims Of P320 Issues

Sig Sauer released a strong statement today disputing the current narrative around the P320 pistol.The Statement, entitled ‘The Truth About the P320’, puts the bottom line up front: “The P320 CANNOT, under any circumstances, discharge without a trigger pull – that is a fact.” Let’s take a look...
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