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If there's an active shooter in a school building it really doesn't make sense to allow more potential victims to come in. Once the shooter is neutralized then the building becomes a huge crime scene, and the police don't want parents walking around and destroying evidence as they search for their kids. When I was teaching, we were told that the first responders would step over our bodies to get to the shooter(s), and the wounded would be triaged by EMTs to determine the urgency of their need for treatment. Usually, parents are to be directed to an area away from the school building where they can receive updates and the students are brought there when it is deemed safe. No matter how much you prepare for a shooter situation there's always more happening than you planned for and emotions rule until order can be restored.
 
And what about the phrase, "A well regulated Militia", with "well regulated" being the key words. Doesn't that suggest the Founding Fathers expected a trained Militia? Had the Founding Fathers knew what the country would be like in the 20th and 21st century they probably would never have included it in the Bill of Rights.
 
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And what about the phrase, "A well regulated Militia", with "well regulated" being the key words. Doesn't that suggest the Founding Fathers expected a trained Militia? Had the Founding Fathers knew what the country would be like in the 20th and 21st century they probably would never have included it in the Bill of Rights.
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If you read the second amendment as it's written you will see where the the comma's are placed to show a new line of sentence. Look at the first line of “a well regulated Militia" than comma. Then look at the last sentence where is says “The the right of the people keep and bear arms" than another comma.

The line where it say the the right of “The people" would have said “The right of the militia" if the founding fathers intention for the second amendment was to only grant firearms rights to state militias.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.[35]

There's tons of written documents from the founding fathers going over the very meaning of what the second amendment means and this is the reason our rights weren't completely stripped from us a long time ago.

I recommend you do some research into historical documents relating to the Bill of Rights and you will see a lot more backing documentation to our rights.
 
Wise men, the Founding Fathers. They had come from places that were similar to what some people here want to modify the United States to be and knew the Constitution and Bill of Rights needed to be specific regarding the freedom of the individual. I don’t think wisdom like they had exists anymore.
 
Once again we allow gun control and partisan politics to dominate the discussion, which overshadows the real issues, like physical security, armed security, lack of parenting, and mental health shortfalls. An arsonist media will do their best to start a political firestorm to the point we cannot see the problems from the smoke.

We cannot deny that some individuals should never possess or be able to purchase a firearm-we have all known them.

We cannot deny that certain types of firearms in the hands of a lunatic can be devastating. Making comparisons between a single shot muzzle loader and a modern day AR in the context of the Constitution is just stupid on both sides of the argument.

We have laws and a mechanism to stop loonies from buying a gun already, but we are not using them to full effect. 18-21 year-olds do stupid stuff at a higher rate than adults. Scientists tell us it has to do with not having full development of the brain until about age 25. 18 year-olds in the military are a whole different animal, under discipline, close supervision, and training. I have absolutely no problem with requiring an individual to be 21 to buy a firearm, or to prohibiting the mentally ill or felons from legally buying a firearm. Here I am talking about controlling access by certain individuals, rather than controlling the guns themselves.

And we have the ability to physically secure these schools with single points of entry and have an armed guardian to confront a shooter present in every school. We as gun owners need to be involved in finding solutions, or we can expect to have solutions imposed upon us by people in Congress who have no idea what they are doing.
 
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Once again we allow gun control and partisan politics to dominate the discussion, which overshadows the real issues, like physical security, armed security, lack of parenting, and mental health shortfalls.

We cannot deny that some individuals should never possess or be able to purchase a firearm-we have all known them.

We cannot deny that certain types of firearms in the hands of a lunatic can be devastating. Making comparisons between a single shot muzzle loader and a modern day AR in the context of the Constitution is just stupid on both sides of the argument.

We have laws and a mechanism to stop loonies from buying a gun already, but we are not using them to full effect. 18-21 year-olds do stupid stuff at a higher rate than adults. Scientists tell us it has to do with not having full development of the brain until about age 25. 18 year-olds in the military are a whole different animal, under discipline, close supervision, and training. I have absolutely no problem with requiring an individual to be 21 to buy a firearm, or to prohibiting the mentally ill or felons from legally buying a firearm. Here I am talking about controlling access by certain individuals, rather than controlling the guns themselves.

And we have the ability to physically secure these schools with single points of entry and have an armed guardian to confront a shooter present in every school. We as gun owners need to be involved in finding solutions, or we can expect to have solutions imposed upon us by people in Congress who have no idea what they are doing.
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Well said. There are many steps we can take without endangering the 2nd amendment. I would argue that we would strengthen 2A if we instituted much of what you described. We are smart people with effective ideas, showing that would go a long way in defanging our opposition. There is a huge opportunity here if we are bold enough to take it.
 
I believe in the 2nd Amendment but like everything, times have changed. When the Bill of Rights was written, rapid fire would be one shot every 10 seconds or so. Today you can emptied a 30 round magazine in less time than that. Weapons are drastically different than in 1791. And for that matter our society and culture is drastically different than in 1791.

I go to the gun range almost every day and over the years I’ve seen so many idiots with guns that I’m convinced that requiring training before being allowed to purchase a firearm would be a great idea. I’m not advocating restricting the sale or the type of guns, I’m just want people to complete classroom and range qualifying and demonstrate they can handle, shoot, and dissemble a weapon. Don’t worry, I don’t want to take anyone’s 50 BMG from them.

Red Flag laws? Yep I don’t want the crazy neighborhood guy who shoots squirrels in his back yard while kids are playing nearby to own a firearm. Yep, I don’t want the guy who shoots house cats or dogs with a bow and arrow to own a firearm.

Status quo isn’t the answer for me because that means somewhere down the line another wacko will kill little children. And if anyone on the forum is OK with the killing of children then you probably shouldn’t own a firearm either.
 
Guys this topic is getting out of hand with more bickering going on than productive conversation.

Disagreement on the forum is okay when done respectfully between members but the outright disrespectful back and forth needs to stop.

This thread has run it's course and has been locked as nothing productive can come from further argument.
 
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