SaltyMonkey
Professional
Truth? Was it mentioned here and I missed it?
Conceal Carry Reciprocity
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Truth? Was it mentioned here and I missed it?
SaltyMonkey
Professional
I can already hear, “ you pushed abortion to the states….”
Why should a Constitutional “Right” be limited by state government when a “privilege” (driver’s license”) is universally honored? Makes no sense. What is each state had the “right” to accept or ignore your DL? I strongly support national CCW reciprocity and hope Congress will send a Bill to the President for his signature.
Old_Me
SAINT
i was thinking the same thing about drivers licenses....we are not limited to staying within our own states.
even though apples to oranges, to me a license is a license.
Grayfox
Professional
I'd like to see national reciprocity for any states CCW license. But I doubt it'll happen. Congress will never go for it.
Many states already honor permits from other states. My state, Tennessee, will honor a valid CCW license from any other state. Likewise many states will honor mine. Frankly, the states that don't, I don't wanna go there anyway.
Many states already honor permits from other states. My state, Tennessee, will honor a valid CCW license from any other state. Likewise many states will honor mine. Frankly, the states that don't, I don't wanna go there anyway.
Biggfoot44
Elite
I hear that . That's why I've always been adamant against any calls for establishing " nationwide carry " underneath the Feds .
But , this can be addressed under a different , better path .
Full Faith and Credit - Why the various States are required to give FF&C to the acts of other States .
Driver Licenses and Marriage Licenses are honored by all States . I've always said it should be same with Carry Permits .
Each State would still have the ability to set standards for the permits they Issue , they would just have to honor those from other states also .
HansGruber
Ronin
I agree with the argument that CC is no different than drivers or marriage licenses.
One thing, though—one will have to be VERY aware of the use of force/carry laws if you’re in a state other than your own (I’m gonna go off the assumption that anyone with half a brain would know their own state laws…but that’s likely optimistic).
I think there’s be a few folks that think the laws in their home state—eg, no duty to retreat, mag capacity, or even type of ammo allowed (see: New Jersey)—will be universal…there would be more than a few rude awakenings, there, should nation reciprocity be made law.
One thing, though—one will have to be VERY aware of the use of force/carry laws if you’re in a state other than your own (I’m gonna go off the assumption that anyone with half a brain would know their own state laws…but that’s likely optimistic).
I think there’s be a few folks that think the laws in their home state—eg, no duty to retreat, mag capacity, or even type of ammo allowed (see: New Jersey)—will be universal…there would be more than a few rude awakenings, there, should nation reciprocity be made law.
Old_Me
SAINT
i know what you mean...my dang state honors no other state.....so of course we are not honored in retribution.
i could easily get other permits, but Mass for example, the permits only last 1 year..and every 6 months, you got to apply for a new permit, which i have been reading, takes "up to" 1 year to get it..!!
what's the F'ing use..?????
needless to say, if i want to join a nice club IN MY STATE mind you, the shortest distance to get there, is thru MASS...
which means, empty gun, empty mags, locked SEPARATELY from the ammo.....
needless to say...i ain't joining that club, with 24/7 range times, outdoor as well (hours limited due to area), and a SUPER LOW membership fee..!!!!!!
nearly 1 hour and 20 minutes from my house....."the long way"........BS to that.
^^THIs^^^
I have a friend (although an aggravating soul at times) thinks training should be mandated to carry. While people should want to get relevant vetted training I have never ever seen mandated firearms training ing that checks a box as worthwhile. I mean some states to get a CCW you can’t Eve draw from a holster but some Fudd talking for 6 hours and you shooting 20-50 rounds at a lie plate makes one protecting.
All for reciprocality like DL’s and non LEOs should have the same rights as LEOs have with LEOSA just know how to actually use a firearm and learn the laws and so t be “that person” but to be mandated NOPE the government hasn’t proven they can run a program right in 200 and some years!
HansGruber
Ronin
Even with LEOSA, you are subject to the laws of the state you are in.
And that’s the way it should be.
I was referring that with LEOSA you are at least legal to carry in all 50 states and US categories. The only thing not addressed by the 2 revisions (2010 and 2013) is mag capacity the hollow point was written in as allowed if it’s legal in the home jurisdiction of the carrier!
Old_Me
SAINT
i just found this on an anti-gun site, do the "facts" they say seem to hold water..???
just asking........
But concealed carry standards vary dramatically across the country—including on safety training, disqualifying violent criminal convictions, and even the requirement to get a permit at all. Concealed Carry Reciprocity would not create a national standard for who can carry hidden, loaded handguns in public.
Instead, it would force all states to accept every other state’s standards, including those states with weaker or no standards. Every state requires a driver’s license to drive a car, but several states don’t require a permit to carry a concealed handgun in public, and many states don’t require any safety training. Forcing every state to allow these individuals to carry concealed handguns would be like forcing states to let visitors drive on their highways without a driver’s license and without having passed an eye, written, or road test.
www.everytown.org
just asking........
Myth
Concealed carry permits should be treated just like driver’s licenses. A person licensed to drive in one state is allowed to drive in every other state, and a person legally allowed to carry a hidden, loaded handgun in one state should be allowed to do so in every other state.Fact
There are major differences between driver’s license laws and concealed carry laws. Driver’s license applicants are required to meet core public safety standards with little variation among states, and states voluntarily recognize each other’s driver’s licenses as a result.But concealed carry standards vary dramatically across the country—including on safety training, disqualifying violent criminal convictions, and even the requirement to get a permit at all. Concealed Carry Reciprocity would not create a national standard for who can carry hidden, loaded handguns in public.
Instead, it would force all states to accept every other state’s standards, including those states with weaker or no standards. Every state requires a driver’s license to drive a car, but several states don’t require a permit to carry a concealed handgun in public, and many states don’t require any safety training. Forcing every state to allow these individuals to carry concealed handguns would be like forcing states to let visitors drive on their highways without a driver’s license and without having passed an eye, written, or road test.
Block Concealed Carry Reciprocity | Everytown
Federal concealed carry reciprocity (CCR) legislation would gut state standards for who may carry hidden, loaded handguns in public.
www.everytown.org
HansGruber
Ronin
I disagree with that revision.
You comply with all of laws of the state you’re in.
If you don’t like it—don’t go there.
We’d have to disagree respectfully. So do you believe they should not be allowed at all into say NJ or a more restrictive state that doesn’t issue permits to everyone? (In a perfect world we all want that but just for conversation) you can’t be just in disagreement with one revision you would give to be against the whole law
The main reason (as the FLETC Attorneys explained) there was a hassle with both on duty and off duty LEOs inside NJ and the revision was made to quash that.
The other revision in 2013 was wording to add “detain” along with the Statutory powers of arrest to include the Military Police folks (both Military and Civilian DOD Police) to be covered as well as requiring agencies to list the credentials as LEO.
Just how I see it.
I see what you are saying however on the safety aspect while well meaning the drivers license is a ooor example.i just found this on an anti-gun site, do the "facts" they say seem to hold water..???
just asking........
Myth
Concealed carry permits should be treated just like driver’s licenses. A person licensed to drive in one state is allowed to drive in every other state, and a person legally allowed to carry a hidden, loaded handgun in one state should be allowed to do so in every other state.
Fact
There are major differences between driver’s license laws and concealed carry laws. Driver’s license applicants are required to meet core public safety standards with little variation among states, and states voluntarily recognize each other’s driver’s licenses as a result.
But concealed carry standards vary dramatically across the country—including on safety training, disqualifying violent criminal convictions, and even the requirement to get a permit at all. Concealed Carry Reciprocity would not create a national standard for who can carry hidden, loaded handguns in public.
Instead, it would force all states to accept every other state’s standards, including those states with weaker or no standards. Every state requires a driver’s license to drive a car, but several states don’t require a permit to carry a concealed handgun in public, and many states don’t require any safety training. Forcing every state to allow these individuals to carry concealed handguns would be like forcing states to let visitors drive on their highways without a driver’s license and without having passed an eye, written, or road test.
Block Concealed Carry Reciprocity | Everytown
Federal concealed carry reciprocity (CCR) legislation would gut state standards for who may carry hidden, loaded handguns in public.
Everyone that legally drives was required to take some type of state mandated training and pass with minimum standards. Look at any highway or street you sure can’t tell a lot of folks had any type of training!!!!!! So to think that magically makes it good to go is a feel good thought at best!
On the violent criminal if they are a felon they are a felon and it’s a no go. If the felon gets an expungement then he he is no longer a felon and can buy purchase and carry a firearm.