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Conceal Carry Reciprocity

HansGruber said:
I agree with the argument that CC is no different than drivers or marriage licenses.

One thing, though—one will have to be VERY aware of the use of force/carry laws if you’re in a state other than your own (I’m gonna go off the assumption that anyone with half a brain would know their own state laws…but that’s likely optimistic).

I think there’s be a few folks that think the laws in their home state—eg, no duty to retreat, mag capacity, or even type of ammo allowed (see: New Jersey)—will be universal…there would be more than a few rude awakenings, there, should nation reciprocity be made law.
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I just recently read on another forum about a guy who was mad because his buddy carried into state with a 10 rd capacity, got pulled over by the police, told them he was carrying from X state and got arrested because he had a high capacity mag in his gun. He thought if he only put 10 rds in he would be good. Turns out he wasn’t.
 
SimonRL said:
I just recently read on another forum about a guy who was mad because his buddy carried into state with a 10 rd capacity, got pulled over by the police, told them he was carrying from X state and got arrested because he had a high capacity mag in his gun. He thought if he only put 10 rds in he would be good. Turns out he wasn’t.
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Yep; know the laws.

I went to Colorado shortly after they enacted their mag limits (15).

I hit the easy button and just brought a J-frame along.
 
While all of this back and forth shows merit on all sides, it has little impact on the individual's perception of (safety) protecting one's self. One should take thier own safety into play regardless, or risk become another victom of violent crime, regardless of geographic location.
 
Grayfox said:
Illegals do it every day. :rolleyes:
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But you forget…they are special?! Sarcasm mode off. I have, in the dim past, arrested numerous illegals for traffic violations. Many had no real driver’s training, and the first thing they did in an accident was flee the scene, mirroring what they did in Mexico. Even while not driving, they had a concept f “macho”, which meant they drank as muck as possible and got in fights, fisticuffs or machetes didn’t matter. Put that behind a steering wheel, with “amigos” egging him on, and you have troubles galore. You can get them out f Mexico, but you can’t get Mexico out of them.
 
3L120 said:
But you forget…they are special?! Sarcasm mode off. I have, in the dim past, arrested numerous illegals for traffic violations. Many had no real driver’s training, and the first thing they did in an accident was flee the scene, mirroring what they did in Mexico. Even while not driving, they had a concept f “macho”, which meant they drank as muck as possible and got in fights, fisticuffs or machetes didn’t matter. Put that behind a steering wheel, with “amigos” egging him on, and you have troubles galore. You can get them out f Mexico, but you can’t get Mexico out of them.
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Got so wrapped in drivers, I forgot to relate it to firearms…I qualify under LEISA, yet have no trust in LE in New England, Hawaii, or Colorado. As should others. I do believe a modicum of training should be required, simply because I have seen so many Yahoo’s at the range. Enough training to make them safe for themselves safe for those around them. It doesn’t have to be stringent, just safety issues and their own state laws, with a caution to look up the laws of any states they may pass through. An inexpensive 5-10 year license would do, with a notation on your drivers license, so you don’t have to dig out your firearms license. I know this is not popular with many here, but I have spent decades watching very dangerous practices involving firearms. Besides, do you want Tyrone of the Grape Street Crips to be carrying when he passes thru your town while on a Crips meeting in Chi-town.?
 
3L120 said:
Got so wrapped in drivers, I forgot to relate it to firearms…I qualify under LEISA, yet have no trust in LE in New England, Hawaii, or Colorado. As should others. I do believe a modicum of training should be required, simply because I have seen so many Yahoo’s at the range. Enough training to make them safe for themselves safe for those around them. It doesn’t have to be stringent, just safety issues and their own state laws, with a caution to look up the laws of any states they may pass through. An inexpensive 5-10 year license would do, with a notation on your drivers license, so you don’t have to dig out your firearms license. I know this is not popular with many here, but I have spent decades watching very dangerous practices involving firearms. Besides, do you want Tyrone of the Grape Street Crips to be carrying when he passes thru your town while on a Crips meeting in Chi-town.?
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He does now! How would what you are saying change that?
 
papa said:
He does now! How would what you are saying change that?
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Simple, the suspect does not, and can not , has no license. Tyrone, having a rather complex history of criminal cases, doesn’t have a license. Willy, on the theft hand, had no record and getting a license, should be easy. Not saying it would happen this way, more the way I hope it would be…
 
CCW should be a federal issue as should all gun rights because it's protected in the constitution. It would also eliminate the (in my opinion) criminal activity of some state governments in restricting your constitutional rights. Everything from restricting certain guns, mag sizes and increased taxing, etc. is a right that we all should share equally.
 
Bear007 said:
CCW should be a federal issue as should all gun rights because it's protected in the constitution.
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Hell No! CCW should not be federal. Do you want a bunch of anti-gun, liberal politicians who live a thousand miles away making the rules so you can carry in your home town? Even if it did pass, trying to get a permit would be a bureaucratic nightmare full of idiot conditions.
Nation wide reciprocity is what we really want. Make the feds recognize your state permit just like your driver's license, but give them zero control over issuing it.
 
Old_Me said:
i just found this on an anti-gun site, do the "facts" they say seem to hold water..???

just asking........

Myth​

Concealed carry permits should be treated just like driver’s licenses. A person licensed to drive in one state is allowed to drive in every other state, and a person legally allowed to carry a hidden, loaded handgun in one state should be allowed to do so in every other state.

Fact​

There are major differences between driver’s license laws and concealed carry laws. Driver’s license applicants are required to meet core public safety standards with little variation among states, and states voluntarily recognize each other’s driver’s licenses as a result.

But concealed carry standards vary dramatically across the country—including on safety training, disqualifying violent criminal convictions, and even the requirement to get a permit at all. Concealed Carry Reciprocity would not create a national standard for who can carry hidden, loaded handguns in public.

Instead, it would force all states to accept every other state’s standards, including those states with weaker or no standards. Every state requires a driver’s license to drive a car, but several states don’t require a permit to carry a concealed handgun in public, and many states don’t require any safety training. Forcing every state to allow these individuals to carry concealed handguns would be like forcing states to let visitors drive on their highways without a driver’s license and without having passed an eye, written, or road test.

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www.everytown.org

Block Concealed Carry Reciprocity | Everytown

Federal concealed carry reciprocity (CCR) legislation would gut state standards for who may carry hidden, loaded handguns in public.
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Want to bet if these people are all for handing out drivers' licenses to illegal aliens?
Personally, I'm conflicted about national Concealed Carry Reciprocity. I like the idea but my trust in the Gov. to not screw it up seven ways to Sunday is at an all-time low. We might be better off leaving things the way they are and work slowly and determinedly to make things right everywhere. It has taken us a long time to walk let's not try to run and trip over our own feet. No quick fix or short cut is ever worth it.
 
bc22wm said:
Want to bet if these people are all for handing out drivers' licenses to illegal aliens?
Personally, I'm conflicted about national Concealed Carry Reciprocity. I like the idea but my trust in the Gov. to not screw it up seven ways to Sunday is at an all-time low. We might be better off leaving things the way they are and work slowly and determinedly to make things right everywhere. It has taken us a long time to walk let's not try to run and trip over our own feet. No quick fix or short cut is ever worth it.
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they might be the same people pushing the EV agenda as well as Windmills, solar energy, and capturing methane gas from farm animals.
 
Grayfox said:
Hell No! CCW should not be federal. Do you want a bunch of anti-gun, liberal politicians who live a thousand miles away making the rules so you can carry in your home town? Even if it did pass, trying to get a permit would be a bureaucratic nightmare full of idiot conditions.
Nation wide reciprocity is what we really want. Make the feds recognize your state permit just like your driver's license, but give them zero control over issuing it.
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I disagree with you. Judge Thomas stated that the 2A is not a second rate amendment. The 2A should be treated like the 1A, in that, it is untouchable. You need no permit to speak, why a permit to carry.
 
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