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Coup in Russia?

This could be the worst of all possible scenarios, if true. People forget that we were dealing with them in Syria. This guy could be worse than Putin. Probably would be, if history is any indication of what coups like this usher in. And this Merc leader with Russia's nuclear arsenal at his disposal?
 
Onewolf426 said:
This could be the worst of all possible scenarios, if true. People forget that we were dealing with them in Syria. This guy could be worse than Putin. Probably would be, if history is any indication of what coups like this usher in. And this Merc leader with Russia's nuclear arsenal at his disposal?
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Agreed.
The old saying comes to mind…….

Be careful what you wish for.

There is no dispute or disagreement that Putin is a dangerous man but history has shown/proven that there is ALWAYS a more dangerous person waiting in the wings to replace him.
There is only one person “Putin himself” that knows what his motive was to start a war with Ukraine, for what? To kill men, women and children that didn’t present any danger to Russia and to completely destroy the infrastructure of a country?
I do find it interesting that Putin is quick to call the Ukraine military; that is doing nothing more then to defend their country a terrorist organization when in fact it’s Putin himself is the terrorist.
 
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HansGruber said:
www.theatlantic.com

A Crisis Erupts in Russia

The Kremlin is accusing a Russian mercenary of an attempted coup—a stunning development that could change the course of the war in Ukraine.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

Part of me thinks “maskirovka”—that this is literally a false flag.

On the other hand…if it’s real, it’s gonna be damn scary.
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Who knows what Russian skullduggery is afoot?
 
That the story is being told by The Atlantic aside :rolleyes:, this isn't really unusual stuff in the USSR/Russia. There's no implications or indications that this is going to change anything regarding the Ukranian conflict.

Something to consider. A) Putin isn't going anywhere unless it's of his own accord. You don't amass that kind of power and control in Russia without massive support and protocols for dealing with dissent. B) if this dude has gone awry from his pal Vlad, he will soon be dead. Period. Wagner is and will remain under the thumb of dictator Putin and will do his bidding regardless of what thug has operational control.

The sanctions on Russia implemented by the US and ( a couple) western countries has failed spectacularly. Not only did it NOT cripple the Russian economy, it actually bolstered it and has proven detrimental to the US economy. We have Russia and China making money hand over fist at the expense of the US. This thread is not the place for a lengthy conversation about current US foreign policy mistakes though. But guess who will be firmly supporting China when they take over Taiwan.
 
Just from reading this, his beef isn't with Putin, but with the Defense Ministry and Military. It doesn't sound like he is going against Putin, but the "media" likes to sensationalize with misleading headlines. I have read articles on this from several sites, and none of them say he is directly going after Putin.
 
Onewolf426 said:
Just from reading this, his beef isn't with Putin, but with the Defense Ministry and Military. It doesn't sound like he is going against Putin, but the "media" likes to sensationalize with misleading headlines. I have read articles on this from several sites, and none of them say he is directly going after Putin.
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A warrant was issued for his arrest ( according to this article). That can only happen with Putin's approval. It sounds like he tried to keep out of Putin's crosshairs, but failed.
 
Bassbob said:
A warrant was issued for his arrest ( according to this article). That can only happen with Putin's approval. It sounds like he tried to keep out of Putin's crosshairs, but failed.
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A) This could be more propaganda, to make the world think there is drama and discord in Russia. B) The Wagner group could have outlived its usefulness, and Putin is just creating the scenario in which to get rid of them, or their leader. C) Putin may be using him to get rid of a Defense Minister that is an abject failure without admitting he made a mistake in hiring the guy. The arrest warrant could just be subterfuge. Whatever the case may be, Putin isn't going anywhere unless he decides to leave. He was the leader of the KGB. He knows what he is doing.
 
Look at this map. With Wagner 25,000 men, no air support, no cannons if any, no tanks if any and heading north for all the world to see and maybe coup is real. Something is not right. How about optics ❓ Could it be as they head north then quickly head west an attack Ukraine from north? WE will see how the next move will be.

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Onewolf426 said:
Just from reading this, his beef isn't with Putin, but with the Defense Ministry and Military. It doesn't sound like he is going against Putin, but the "media" likes to sensationalize with misleading headlines. I have read articles on this from several sites, and none of them say he is directly going after Putin.
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Putin has denounced him; FSB has charged him with various crimes, and that wouldn’t happen with Putin’s blessing.

He won’t be arrested, though—guaranteed.

Also, obtaining perhaps “coup” is a bit of an overreach on my part.

Major mutiny would be closer.
 
I agree that it could be a deception, but I also think coming from the Atlantic there is a strong possibility that it's an instance of pro-Ukrainian propaganda. Both sides do it and we should expect nothing less in a time of war. I keep a fairly close eye on YouTube for videos on the war and there is a lot of nonsense from the pro-Ukrainian side. At one point, their were pro-Ukrainian videos using CGI to show how successful UKR forces were. I am not a Putin puppet, but as an example I have a real problem with the latest video showing Ukr spec ops clearing a trench line. Seems, I stress seems to be a slick piece of propaganda. Search for it on YouTube and you'll come up with five other similar videos with different troops and different locations. If these are so successful where is the follow up with forces moving through these positions?

Bottom line is if we depend on the MSM for a balanced view on anything we're ultimately in the dark. Think of it this way, the implosion of the Oceangate sub conveniently took news coverage of of Ukr offensive off the headlines for a week. Now, the Wagner group, a force US and Free Syrian troops killed 300 of in Syria in one morning is going to conduct a coup? I don't think so - JMO.
 
The timing is certainly convenient for the regime in Washington. Evidence appears in public that Joe did know about Hunter's "business dealings", and was actively involved in them and this appears? Yet another instance of fortuitous circumstance for Joe, reminiscent of the election...

Anyone else think this isn't exactly a recent development? Likely this has been known for a while and we are only finding out in the hope it will distract the American people (well those who are paying attention and don't depend on the Commercial media for information) from the treason Biden appears to be involved in.

If true, the possible implications are very concerning. Most likely it won't end well for the person in the story and his allies.
 
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