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Effective Range of a Defensive Handgun

Whenever I get some fairly competent shooters on my range we play a game before packing up. Everyone starts two hand unsupported with 10 rounds at the 25 yard line with an 8" steel disc target. You shoot until you hit the plate then holster. Then we move to the 35 and repeat, then 50, then 75, then 100. If you run out of ammo you are out, a 100 yard hit is a winner. It teaches a lot about the capability of your gun and ammo, and most importantly your capability. I can usually make hits at 75, rarely do I make a hit at the 100, but close enough to make them seek cover.
 
Good read thanks for sharing. Claude Werner said something to the effect that the vast majority of training and equ. should be geared to the likely not the outliers. To paraphrase the investment commercial when Claude Werner speaks people listen. Or should. 40 yard shoot acrost the mall are outliers, at least for now. Who knows what tomorrow will bring. 20 years ago who would have thought that there would be widespread "mostly peaceful" protests and the and the authorities would do nothing. JMHO a wee bit of long-range shooting with your defensive handgun isn't bad as long as you don't get too hung up on it. Plus it's fun if eye opening, (read humbling).
Part of our requalification before I retired was 50 yards with our sidearm. so there is that.
 
Thanks for the link, Anni! Just yesterday evening, I watched Hickock 45 hitting a steel target at 230 yards with a Glock 23 handgun. Impressive!

I know statistics support the 3-3-3 argument, but lately more thugs are using long guns. There was a man and his girlfriend across the River (in Memphis) just recently who was mugged and carjacked by ten thugs with long guns. I would think that if thugs are getting more into long guns, your chances of needing to be proficient at longer ranges is going up. I have no idea how fast your chances may be going up, and with my shooting accuracy, I may be in trouble!
 
Our outdoor range LEO spot encourages all shooters to use pistol on the steel plates at 100 yards.

I’m good for 2-3 out of 10. Needs improvement, but I know the round and myself are capable of it
I can’t say a percentage but I was banging a steel silhouette at 100 yards with the little Masada last time out. Took a couple to walk it down but once I got the first one I was hitting semi consistently.
 
Post in thread 'Fighting from Prone' https://www.thearmorylife.com/forum/threads/fighting-from-prone.15649/post-230753

Injury can be a reason for prone and or long dustance with the handgun.

Changed it just slightly from the original post.

What Follows is an excerpt of a book I read recently, been reading more again since retiring, called Gun Digest Book of Survival Guns by Scott Wagner I thought interesting on this subject.

"Anyone out there think they don’t need long-distance handgun competency? Listen to this. I have a friend, Brandon Moore, who was a deputy at the nearby Morrow County Sheriff’s Office. He was ambushed by a marijuana grower who began shooting him with a 5.56mm AR-15 from around 70 yards. Brandon, working plainclothes but wearing soft body armor and carrying a full-size Smith & Wesson M&P .40 with two spare magazines, was shot through the thigh and scrotum. The AR rounds blew out part of his testicles, then passed through the left leg, blowing away a chunk of tibia and causing that leg to be permanently shorter than the right. A final round from the pot grower penetrated the armor, slowing down, but taking out his spleen and collapsing a lung before its travel stopped. Severely wounded, Brandon couldn’t make it back into his car to retrieve his AR, so he went to war with his M&P. In a rollover prone position with the gun in his right hand, and while clutching his scrotum with his left, Brandon returned fire, with multiple rounds and reloads, from a laser-measured distance of 64 yards, across a span of time that went at least 10 minutes. I was guarding Moore’s assailant when the doctor came in to deliver the news of the guy’s condition. Brandon’s .40-caliber rounds had struck the shooter twice in the soft armor he was wearing, causing severe bruising, while the rest of the rounds had shattered the man’s right heel and totally pulverized eight inches of tibial bone in the same leg. His right foot was being held to the rest of his leg by some remaining flesh and a stainless steel rod. The assailant was forbidden to put any weight on his right foot until the doctors could figure out what they were going to do to permanently fix it; the rod was merely keeping the foot from flopping around. Whatever they figured out, the shooter was destined to be indisposed for a long time. Brandon, one of the most courageous men I have ever met, required multiple surgeries but returned to the job before eventually retiring. Recently, I taught an extended-range handgun class, with shots fired out to 100 yards, with Brandon’s assistance. The class, Brandon included, fired the “Brandon Moore Drill” from the same distance as had been measured in the actual firefight, and in the same position, including holding their crotches. Brandon beat everyone and agreed that it was much easier to do when you aren’t bleeding out. In any event, the lesson here is that the handgun can be effective at long range is one important to understand, and being capable with a handgun at extended distances is a skill set you should be ready to use should the need arise. Handguns for survival use in societal disorder situations have the same basic requirements that rifles and shotguns do. The characteristics of reliability, ruggedness, portability, simplicity, effectiveness, and sustainability are
 
Good read thanks for sharing. Claude Werner said something to the effect that the vast majority of training and equ. should be geared to the likely not the outliers. To paraphrase the investment commercial when Claude Werner speaks people listen. Or should. 40 yard shoot acrost the mall are outliers, at least for now. Who knows what tomorrow will bring. 20 years ago who would have thought that there would be widespread "mostly peaceful" protests and the and the authorities would do nothing. JMHO a wee bit of long-range shooting with your defensive handgun isn't bad as long as you don't get too hung up on it. Plus it's fun if eye opening, (read humbling).
Part of our requalification before I retired was 50 yards with our sidearm. so there is that.
Claude Werner is spot on. And while everyone should be proficient at at least 25 rounds the best way is to get away from the unrealistic B27 or full size targets and go with B8 repair centers.

People get fixated on long range stuff when it happens like one r (and preach Red Dits because of it yet the kid in Greenwood did the 42 yards with factory Glock plastic sights that where chipped)

Or magazine reloads when they have only been documented like once. If you need master Jedi reload skills your gun skills suck!!!!
 
Thanks for the link, Anni! Just yesterday evening, I watched Hickock 45 hitting a steel target at 230 yards with a Glock 23 handgun. Impressive!

I know statistics support the 3-3-3 argument, but lately more thugs are using long guns. There was a man and his girlfriend across the River (in Memphis) just recently who was mugged and carjacked by ten thugs with long guns. I would think that if thugs are getting more into long guns, your chances of needing to be proficient at longer ranges is going up. I have no idea how fast your chances may be going up, and with my shooting accuracy, I may be in trouble!
AR15 ccw, perhaps? 🤔
 
I've whined about this here before, deepest apologies, but I don't have a public or private range within 50 miles of my home that allows a pistol on any range longer than 50 yards. The only one that allows them on a 50 yard range, the pistol MUST have a 5" barrel and be a "hunting" caliber larger than 9mm....whatever that means. And when new RO's are on duty, they usually forbid ANY pistols on the 50-yard range. Maybe I'll bring my braced SP5 this weekend and make a formal challenge. Except it's been raining with tornadoes every day for the last 2 weeks. Sorry for being pissy...
 
I've whined about this here before, deepest apologies, but I don't have a public or private range within 50 miles of my home that allows a pistol on any range longer than 50 yards. The only one that allows them on a 50 yard range, the pistol MUST have a 5" barrel and be a "hunting" caliber larger than 9mm....whatever that means. And when new RO's are on duty, they usually forbid ANY pistols on the 50-yard range. Maybe I'll bring my braced SP5 this weekend and make a formal challenge. Except it's been raining with tornadoes every day for the last 2 weeks. Sorry for being pissy...
almost the same here as well..

my club is at or about 40 feet (just over 13 yards)

the public range is at 25 yards

we do have a state outdoor range, one side is at 50 yds, the other side is at 100 yds and as i recall that's for rifles only

we have a few other ranges, many are private, and costly, as such i do not know thier by laws.

but for where i go (or went) absolutely NO shooting from the hip, nor holster.

some areas are just luckier than others.
 
You guys need to find better places to shoot.
"in jest", i was going to say something about that...........

but, who knows who's watching, and actually take me seriously........

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I have hit targets out to 200 yards, but this was my silhouette days….😬
With S&W’s 29, and T/C contenders in .44 mag, in the unlimited division, 100 yards with a .22lr in a S&W 617, in the .22 division, and an in .357mag also with a S&W 686, all with 6” barrels, and a Colt 1911 in .45acp both in the field pistol division, which the farthest target was 100 yards.
 
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