bllefkay
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Hellcat OSP and 147g JHP
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Bassbob
Emissary
That's the micro stuff. I don't know anyone who's tried it.
Pitdogg2
Professional
Well one would think it would work in tiny pistols. I've not tried it but I've got several boxes of it just because. Walmart clearance it out at giveaway prices when they got rid of all their gang banger ammo and military 223/5.56 as they called it several yrs ago. Heck I was buying 500 round packages of Winchester and federal for $90, crazy!
The tests I have seen on the 150 GR showed that it didn't work so good.
Bassbob
Emissary
You should try it. And take notes. I for one would be interested in how it performs. I've never seen it on a shelf or for sale anywhere. I have some 147 gr. HST, but I've got a hell of a lot of 124 gr. HST. It can still be bought in 50 round boxes for about $30, so I buy it often.
TNoutdoors ( also known as shootinthebull ) Is who I think I saw do the test on 150 HST and said it didn't do very well.
The Holosun SCS-Carry was solid, as has been my experience with all Holosuns I’ve used so far. At 5 yds, didn’t even make one adjustment out of the box. I had let the locktite set for 72 hours and optic seems to have remained solidly attached.
That’s 432 trouble free rounds across multiple weights, brands, and bullet types. Good enough for me to trust it for EDC.
Targets below are nothing special. First two targets were at 5 yds, and was mostly doing mag dumps to test gun with ammo, but did get try to get reticle back on target before firing. On last target skeleton, with the Win Ranger T 147g, it was @3 yds, five to each shoulder, @5 yds, 10 to center, @7 yds, 10 to center, @15 yards, 5 to center, slow fire (the three misses), and back @3 yds, 5 strings of 2 to center, 1 to head.
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Biggfoot44
Operator
Answer #1 - If the OP * wants * to use some Ranger T 147 , go for it ! It's a semi free country , and I won't endeavor to talk him out of it .
Various Rambling :
Once upon a decade with OG sub 1lb micro 9mm , after some experimenting concluded on std pressure 115 . More recently with my recently acquired new to me ( but 2017 born on date ) micro 9mm with better ergonomics ( in the context of My XXL hands , YMMV ) I'm tentatively going with my default 9mm defensive load .
I'm old school old fart . I have always disliked 147 , for reasons. Admittedly the current Latest Greatest Wonder 147 loads suck less than they used to . But still don't see any reason to favor any of it over a lot of 124 , or some of the better 115 .
With only 5% cynicism-
Today were have so much excellent 9mm Defensive ammo , the problem is trying to differentiate in a significant and meaningful way . Yeah , in the 1980's was huge gap between the good and not good , but today , not really .
Any of the top 6 or 10 9mm Duty or Premium Defense ammo is " More Than Plenty Good " , and the differences are subtle , and often only applicable to a niche parameter. So you can use tertiary factors as tiebreaker.
Availability, and price .
HST 124 in 50 rd boxes for $28 . Reasonable enough to do practice , extended function checking , don't think twice about rotating fresh ammo for multiple guns and mags . Micro and regular size pistols.
Bassbob
Emissary
I'm embarrassed to admit how many 50 round boxes of 124 gr. HST I have. I've pretty much always run 124 in all my 9mms. No particular reason I suppose. I do have some 147 HST and I notice no difference in POI, but I generally shoot 124 gr. FMJ in training or practice so I just usually stick with that weight for carry ammo.
Actually hit the range today with 50 147g Win X Clean and 50 rounds Ranger T Series, both 147g. Have since added the threaded 3.8 barrel and comp.
The JHP were magazine dumps as fast as I thought I was back on target. The Ranger T was 2 and 3 shot strings.
Seemed to work pretty well, especially the Ranger T.
Pretty sure that Ranger T would work as necessary if ever needed. There were zero malfunctions, but I’ve had nothing choke the Hellcat yet…
The JHP were magazine dumps as fast as I thought I was back on target. The Ranger T was 2 and 3 shot strings.
Seemed to work pretty well, especially the Ranger T.
Pretty sure that Ranger T would work as necessary if ever needed. There were zero malfunctions, but I’ve had nothing choke the Hellcat yet…
I have some 147 defensive ammo in my box, however I have not shot enough of it to make a determination about it. I did buy a fresh box of Winchester 147 JHP the other day. I don't remember the name, but it was a black box of 50. My next range trip, I will take the 147's and see how they do.
I normally use 124 and 115 both in range ammo and defensive stuff.
Joe
I normally use 124 and 115 both in range ammo and defensive stuff.
Joe
Biggfoot44
Operator
I'd have to try to look up , but at the dawn of 147's , W-W OSM was the only game in town .
Quick search shows LAPD adopted Speer G2 in 2019 ( Think Gold Dot Gen 2 )
Quick search shows LAPD adopted Speer G2 in 2019 ( Think Gold Dot Gen 2 )
i carry the federal 147g hydra shock or hst ammo in all my 9mm's including the hellcat my edc, federal made a punch ammo specifically for the hellcat, however i got a box just because it was labeled specifically for hellcat. federal punch is good ammo however being retired leo, we always were issued the 147g hydra shock after extensive testing of different ammos
the ranger t is what Winchester renamed the black talon
expansion if ok, it is slower and packs more of a punch than 115g and not as much of a chance of over penetration
My scores and times got noticeably better when I switched from 115 to 147gr bullets. Still running about the same pf.
147g hst and hydra shock is plentiful on several web sites, target sports has the best price. federal made a special punch 124g for the hellcats
