SimonRL
Hellcat
It’s hard not to look like a mall ninja with one of those.
"Is Capacity Still Important?"
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Bassbob
Emissary
I have about 15 extra mags for VP9/P30L. All of them 17 rd. Last thing I need is a stick hanging out the bottome of my gun.... Although I haven't seen a 20 rd. May not be too bad. Nevertheless, the one in the gun and 2 on my hip means like 50 something rds. Seems like plenty to me.
Bassbob
Emissary
I prefer a double barrel for birds. I can usually hit 2 if it's a covey and not singles. My cousin likes his A5. I like it too, just not for quail hunting.
The Night Rider
Professional
"Is Capacity Still Important?"
TL/DR Maybe.
I'm a firm believer that you should carry whatever you're comfortable carrying.
Having said that. according to the CDC.
In 2021, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S., according to the CDC. That figure includes gun murders and gun suicides,
49,000 in a country of 340 million people? Your odds of being involved in a shooting in America are right up there with winning the lottery.
80% of the murders that are committed in this country involving a firearm are committed by somebody who already has a prior felony conviction. And most of the time they're killing another Criminal( FBI Uniform Crime Report)
According to the Kleck study 90% of Citizen involved self-defense incidents and with no shots fired.
I had a friend who worked as a police officer and then after retirement from the police department as a magistrate in South Carolina.
Across the span of both of his careers he investigated or adjudicated 200 homicides. Of those 200 he stated that ONE of them involved more than eight shots being fired among all parties involved.
According to him the one involved the killer standing over the corpse and emptying his magazine into it.
I have been a witness to (as opposed to a participant in) four shooting incidents in my lifetime. None of them lasted longer than 30 seconds . None of them involved more than 10 rounds being fired. And all four of them by the time I got myself behind some good hard cover it was over.
So given that most of us aren't even going to fire the first shot ever I have to say that there are things way more important than capacity.
TL/DR Maybe.
I'm a firm believer that you should carry whatever you're comfortable carrying.
Having said that. according to the CDC.
In 2021, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 48,830 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S., according to the CDC. That figure includes gun murders and gun suicides,
49,000 in a country of 340 million people? Your odds of being involved in a shooting in America are right up there with winning the lottery.
80% of the murders that are committed in this country involving a firearm are committed by somebody who already has a prior felony conviction. And most of the time they're killing another Criminal( FBI Uniform Crime Report)
According to the Kleck study 90% of Citizen involved self-defense incidents and with no shots fired.
I had a friend who worked as a police officer and then after retirement from the police department as a magistrate in South Carolina.
Across the span of both of his careers he investigated or adjudicated 200 homicides. Of those 200 he stated that ONE of them involved more than eight shots being fired among all parties involved.
According to him the one involved the killer standing over the corpse and emptying his magazine into it.
I have been a witness to (as opposed to a participant in) four shooting incidents in my lifetime. None of them lasted longer than 30 seconds . None of them involved more than 10 rounds being fired. And all four of them by the time I got myself behind some good hard cover it was over.
So given that most of us aren't even going to fire the first shot ever I have to say that there are things way more important than capacity.
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The Night Rider
Professional
TL/DR, Still Maybe.
I was in the middle of doing laundry and I ran out of time to go back and edit my above post
I'm going to say that capacity is as important as you think it is but there a lot of factors that are more important.
The number one thing you can do to keep yourself out of a gunfight is not be involved in a Criminal Enterprise.
Avoiding known trouble areas will lower your odds of ever being in a gunfight.
Being at home by 9:00 p.m. will lower your odds of being in a gunfight.
Abiding by the rule of stupids lower your odds of being in a gunfight.
1. Don't go to stupid places.
2. At stupid times.
3. With stupid people or where stupid people congregate.
4. Don't do stupid things.
Do those things and your odds have ever needing a gun are almost nonexistent
I was in the middle of doing laundry and I ran out of time to go back and edit my above post
I'm going to say that capacity is as important as you think it is but there a lot of factors that are more important.
The number one thing you can do to keep yourself out of a gunfight is not be involved in a Criminal Enterprise.
Avoiding known trouble areas will lower your odds of ever being in a gunfight.
Being at home by 9:00 p.m. will lower your odds of being in a gunfight.
Abiding by the rule of stupids lower your odds of being in a gunfight.
1. Don't go to stupid places.
2. At stupid times.
3. With stupid people or where stupid people congregate.
4. Don't do stupid things.
Do those things and your odds have ever needing a gun are almost nonexistent
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Old_Me
SAINT
i'd like to have back my 20 round magazines, as they are in a safer 2A state for the time being, until this stupid mag ban gets thru the courts.
at the range i like to load up my large cap mags and have at it
but jerks against guns, that have no idea, about guns only that "they kill in high numbers" make laws, and violate thier oath to office of "to protect, and preserve the US Constitution", as well as the state's constitution..>!!!!
Yup. Back in my football days we were taught to “don’t look at his head. Look at his damn belly button. That’ll show you where he’s going.” And you know what? It always worked.
Oh crap…. I’m 2 for 4 on the list of stupids.
Old_Me
SAINT
yeah thanks...i thought it was a football movie, maybe "all the right moves"????
SimonRL
Hellcat
The 20rd looks ridiculous, but I bought a long slide to go on my VP9 frame and it looks proportionately wrong with a 17 rounder. I suspect I have another VP9 lower in my future. If I just stick with the slide it doesn’t count as another gun!
I didn’t see it in the movies… Coach Weyhenmeyer drilled it into my head in the mid-80’s.
He was a Marine turned history teacher and was my d-back coach. Toughest SOB around but was one of the best mentors a kid could have.
Lexie__M
Custom
LOLAnd as I’m reading this thread my 60rd 223/5.56 Schmeisser AR-15 mag got delivered. Apparently, somewhere along the way I got serious about this.
If AR with drum is too big then carry this on your hip/leg holster like a Hog Leg holster
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ddeuce22
Professional
LOL
If AR with drum is too big then carry this on your hip/leg holster.
Now we are getting somewhere. hahaha
TEXASforLIFE
SAINT
I did the same thing with a m&p 1.0 9mm. Bought it with the 4.25" barrel and then bought the 5" complete upper. With the price of it alone it was almost the price of a complete gun. I don't regret it at all. Maybe get a metal lower for it as so far that's all s&w has for small frames.
Bassbob
Emissary
Sounds like you really like the VP9. I do too. I like the P30L better though.
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nmedge
Guest
Round count in a handgun isn't important to me. If i do the job right i should only need 1-2 rounds.
The Night Rider
Professional
Speaking of TL/DR, I'm not watching an Hour long video. Capacity certainly isn't that important
HansGruber
Ronin
SimonRL
Hellcat
I ran it in a tactical course last week and it felt extremely natural in my hand. It reminds me of my Archon, which is a very good thing. The trigger is not the be-all-end-all the HK fanbois make it out to be and the reset is pretty horrible, but it is well balanced and very easy to get on target. Fortunately, I don’t have a problem with striker fired guns.