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"Is Capacity Still Important?"

SimonRL said:
I ran it in a tactical course last week and it felt extremely natural in my hand. It reminds me of my Archon, which is a very good thing. The trigger is not the be-all-end-all the HK fanbois make it out to be and the reset is pretty horrible, but it is well balanced and very easy to get on target. Fortunately, I don’t have a problem with striker fired guns.
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You must have got a bum one because the only striker fired trigger better than the one on my VP9 is the one on my Q5. And the reset is 1000 times better than the reset on the P30L.
 
I think capacity is important in the minds of gun owners who immerse themselves into gun culture and each and every "if it bleeds it leads" 24/7 365 negative for profit news reporting.

I own a Shield Plus, Hellcat, and several double stack subcompact and compacts. I rearly ever carry them. I don't believe that I'm going to die, be accosted by a gang of armed "thugs," drug dealers, drug cartels, terrorist, etc where I'd have to be in this long drawn out Hollywood production level shootout where I need to EDC several dozen rounds of ammo and multiple firearms. To each their own, and if other choose carry an excessive amount of ammo and/or firearms on their person, more power to them.

I'm fine with a Kahr K40, S&W M686+, or Shield 45acp. I don't feel like my life is being put in danger by carrying those opinions. When I start hearing and seeing reports of revolver, 1911, single stack, mouse gun, etc owners being found dead next to their empty firearms, then I'll rethink what I carry.
 
nmedge said:
Round count in a handgun isn't important to me. If i do the job right i should only need 1-2 rounds.
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There are so many circumstances where that wouldn't be true it isn't funny. Multiple attackers, bad mag, you forgot to train relentlessly with an extremely elevated heart rate and the adrenaline made you think in stupid and you dropped the mag out of your gun. And on and on.
 
WellArmed said:
I think capacity is important in the minds of gun owners who immerse themselves into gun culture and each and every "if it bleeds it leads" 24/7 365 negative for profit news reporting.

I own a Shield Plus, Hellcat, and several double stack subcompact and compacts. I rearly ever carry them. I don't believe that I'm going to die, be accosted by a gang of armed "thugs," drug dealers, drug cartels, terrorist, etc where I'd have to be in this long drawn out Hollywood production level shootout where I need to EDC several dozen rounds of ammo and multiple firearms. To each their own, and if other choose carry an excessive amount of ammo and/or firearms on their person, more power to them.

I'm fine with a Kahr K40, S&W M686+, or Shield 45acp. I don't feel like my life is being put in danger by carrying those opinions. When I start hearing and seeing reports of revolver, 1911, single stack, mouse gun, etc owners being found dead next to their empty firearms, then I'll rethink what I carry.
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While I often carry a Shield 45 myself, I always carry spare mags.

Here's the thing. You can say "Odds are you aren't going to need 3 extra mags or a 17 rd. capacity or whatever, but the fact is the odds are you aren't even going to need a gun. Yet you still carry one.
 
The majority of self-defense incidents have limited expenditure of rounds.

But, depending on where one lives, the continual decline in US society courtesy of a certain party, the national Antifa/BLM insurrection riots during the Summer of 2020 and the recent mob incidents in Chicago, CA & elsewhere, and the millions of illegals invading the US, those that live in high-risk areas may want to have more capacity than normal.

My .02
 
Talyn said:
The majority of self-defense incidents have limited expenditure of rounds.

But, depending on where one lives, the continual decline in US society courtesy of a certain party, the national Antifa/BLM insurrection riots during the Summer of 2020 and the recent mob incidents in Chicago, CA & elsewhere, and the millions of illegals invading the US, those that live in high-risk areas may want to have more capacity than normal.

My .02
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It doesn't cost me anything to be prepared for massive round expenditure. It could cost me my life not to be prepared for it. That's all I need to know.
 
Annihilator said:
As I have stated before, to me, shot placement outweighs capacity, if you can’t hit what your aiming at with 2-3 rounds, what good is 15-17 rounds going to do? Just me
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The two are not mutually exclusive. Do you carry with just 3 rounds ?

Shot placement is definitely more important. But as much as we train there is still no guarantee your shot placement is going to be good. How often do you shoot at targets, moving very rapidly directly towards you ? And what if there are multiple assailants ? What if you are accosted by 4 crazy ass pitbulls ?
 
Over the years I have watched many documentaries and videos of various crimes by the savages.
As you go about your life of work, getting things done, what you are going to eat and settled down for a drink the Criminals savages are doing what they do. They want to commit some crimes that are a easy mark as they too do not want any confrontation of possibly getting hurt or shot or captured and off to their free home for a few more years.
Who are the easy marks, people who have their faces glued to their phone, in a vehicle driving like they have horse blinkers on, old, weak, helpless, totally unaware of their surroundings head not on a swivel.
They do not want a fight in any way shape or form, they only want a easy mark.

Ex: if you driving in your vehicle and stop at light, are you looking around or only looking at the light ❓
If they decide you are a easy mark for whatever reason, they all attack quickly.
If one of them sees you have a firearm, one of them will yell, "He gatta gun" and in a flash they all split.
In the videos I've watched, where two or more gangs have a issue and then someone starts shooting.
Then the rest starting shooting at each other gangster style as all of them are running for safe cover.
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Wasn't it Bat Masterson who said," I may not be the fastest gunslinger but one shot, one kill"
It you need to defend your life, PLACEMENT is everything.
 
Bassbob said:
The two are not mutually exclusive. Do you carry with just 3 rounds ?

Shot placement is definitely more important. But as much as we train there is still no guarantee your shot placement is going to be good. How often do you shoot at targets, moving very rapidly directly towards you ? And what if there are multiple assailants ? What if you are accosted by 4 crazy ass pitbulls ?
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My whole point is if you can’t hit your target with a few shots, more rounds won’t do you any good.
 
Taking part in IPSC/ISPA/2-3 Gun shooting will address engaging multiple targets that may require multiple shots each, along with multiple mag changes.

All are beneficial when it comes to self-defense involving multiple ZEDs.
 
So.

First off, carry what makes you feel comfortable; because the odds are, that’s the only thing you will ever need it for—comfort. The odds of you needing it, as stated earlier, are infinitesimally low…and needing more than 2-3 rounds are even lower.

I’m comfortable with 5 rounds; sure, I’ll carry a speed strip or two, but I have no problem admitting the odds of needing/using them are low.

I don’t buy into the whole “group effect” argument in favor of having many rounds on tap; mainly because of you ever watch one of those situations…when rounds start flying, people run away from the shooting.

Fact is, if you are worried that you won’t have enough ammo for a gunfight, there are hundreds, if not thousands of things more likely to kill you by orders of magnitude…worry about your diet, those extra pounds you’re carrying, cigarettes, sugar intake…driving safely…because those factors are what are most likely to kill you.

Not a lack of ammo.
 
Bassbob said:
While I often carry a Shield 45 myself, I always carry spare mags.

Here's the thing. You can say "Odds are you aren't going to need 3 extra mags or a 17 rd. capacity or whatever, but the fact is the odds are you aren't even going to need a gun. Yet you still carry one.
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I see and hear real life factual and actual stories on a regular basis where a gun was needed and used in a self defense incident or at least was needed. I can do a search and name hundreds literally of incidences wherea firearm was needed.

With that said, in the last 50 years to the present day, cite some incidences where a lawful civilian who was armed with say 8 rounds or less was seriously injured or killed because they ran out of ammo. I respectfully ask that you really answer this question. If you can list some you may change my mind.

That's the difference and why I choose to carry a gun and don't become obsessive compulsive about capacity...
 
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