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Is Constitutional Carry a Mistake?

The Night Rider said:
Cops are civilians.
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Semantics amuck . Sensitive to the legitimate points of various contexts , I've been using these terms:

Being Subject to UCMJ is criteria for Military vs Civillian .

Powers and Obligations to Keep the Peace , Conduct Ivestigations , Apprehend Criminals , etc is criteria for LE vs General Public .

( Not withstanding the existence of Law Enforcement, And Counter Inteligence functions within the .Mil .)
 
As mentioned before, I don't remember learning or hearing about CC classes in the 1700's. Nor the 1800's. Not even until the late 1900's. All those decades (over a century), so little training...how did we ever survive? It is a constitutional right, full stop.
 
HansGruber said:
This.

This, this, THIS.

I truly love shoving this fact down LE’s throats when they claim that they’re different than “civilians”.

THEY AREN’T.
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They are however tasked with protecting the public and while they aren't legally bound, per the SCOTUS, to protect any specific individuals, they aren't going to keep their jobs long if they do what most (Smart) civilians do and first exhaust all viable options to remove yourself from the situation before resorting to gun fighting.
 
Bassbob said:
They are however tasked with protecting the public and while they aren't legally bound, per the SCOTUS, to protect any specific individuals, they aren't going to keep their jobs long if they do what most (Smart) civilians do and first exhaust all viable options to remove yourself from the situation before resorting to gun fighting.
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unless they might be a school resource officer, then that is exactly what many of them do...pensions you know.
 
Jfal said:
As mentioned before, I don't remember learning or hearing about CC classes in the 1700's. Nor the 1800's. Not even until the late 1900's. All those decades (over a century), so little training...how did we ever survive? It is a constitutional right, full stop.
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True, BUT we were primarily a rural society (even the city’s were small) and most people were raised with a working knowledge of firearms. Today, an awful lot of people are completely ignorant of firearms. Everyone who Carry’s a firearm should KNOW how to safely handle it. I certainly don’t know the answer-perhaps some basic training on the fundamentals at time of purchase for newbies? I believe citizens have a Right, but I also know they have a responsibility to themselves and their fellow citizens to safely exercise that right. I have seen ignorant people handling firearms in a very careless way (which is why I go out of my way to avoid one local range). Irresponsible handling of a firearm is in Nobody’s best interest.
 
Nah.

Huge damage is done to society by stupid people voting. But education requirements or IQ testing would be unthinkable, unacceptable , impossible , and if we're possible, would be subverted . [ And throw in also : Being familiar from an Anti state , the * Required Training * is 90% total crap , and doesn't effect the occasional occurrence of brain farts, carelessness , or stupidity . ]

But Hey , important skills and useful knowledge are Important Things , what could be actually done ?

A generation ago , I would have said making Hunter Safety or equivalent available as a meaningful credit in the schools. But nowadays the whole of the educational establishment has been taken over by neo Marxists , and would be subverted .

So then :

Tax Credits for an Entry Level class from " Nationally Recognized Firearms Training Org ".

Mfg / Distributors/ large dealers, say with stamp from NSSF , have a basic 1hr " Don't shoot yourself in the butt " seminar . Either a certificate for first time purchasers , or open to prospective purchasers . Yeah , it would cost a little , but it would gain good optics, spur sales , and shouldn't be to hard to set up with impratur of a non profit organization, to make the direct costs be a Charitable Donation in Kind .

My State 2A Org has Education in the Charter and part of the 501 C 3 status . When I'm frequently volunteering at events , I enjoy talking basic safety and gunhandling to prospective and new owners , as a switch up from the usual legal and political issues .

And at most basic levels , everyone mentor your family members , friends , and neighbors if they show any interest or inclination .
 
HansGruber said:
This.

This, this, THIS.

I truly love shoving this fact down LE’s throats when they claim that they’re different than “civilians”.

THEY AREN’T.
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You are correct. They are just the ones who go down dark alleys and areas, looking for an armed suspect. Civilians until you need someone to hide behind. Want to change LE, sign up as a Reserve Officer and make that change from within. Plot warning, though, your concepts may change when you are in the projects and Grape Street Crips start shooting at you for being on their turf.
 
3L120 said:
You are correct. They are just the ones who go down dark alleys and areas, looking for an armed suspect. Civilians until you need someone to hide behind.
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Too bad Jessica Gonzales' kids couldn't hide behind a cop. Too bad the kids in Uvalde couldn't hide behind a cop. Too bad Carolyn Warren couldn't hide behind a cop.

I mean I went down dark alleys looking for "suspects" as an unarmed security guard.

Bottom line, if you aren't subject to the UCMJ you're a civilian.

If you can't be stop lossed you're a civilian.

If you can't be recalled to active duty you're a civilian.

If you can't be sent halfway around the world for a year on short (or no) notice you're a civilian.

3L120 said:
Want to change LE, sign up as a Reserve Officer and make that change from within.
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Want to not be a civilian enlist.
3L120 said:
Plot warning, though, your concepts may change when you are in the projects and Grape Street Crips start shooting at you for being on their turf.
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Again, I can (and have) get shot at as an unarmed security guard.

In fact, I can (and have) get shot at walking my dog or sitting on my couch watching TV.


ETA

Cops have a different mission than the military.

There's a reason that the police are called The Civil Authorities.

Yes, cops have a job that can be dangerous. Firefighters have a job that's more dangerous.

Sanitation Workers have a job that's more dangerous.

So do roofers and high iron workers
 
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