I had the same experience with my KS7 with slugs except even with the enhanced recoil pad, only being 6lbs it really started to take a toll on my shoulder.
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I had the same experience with my KS7 with slugs except even with the enhanced recoil pad, only being 6lbs it really started to take a toll on my shoulder.
Bassbob
Emissary
I heard that! Before I went to Booya Sam's LFI-II in 1989, I put rifle sights on my Mossberg 500 and set out to "zero" it from the bench with rifled slugs. By about round 5 or 6, I was starting to cry a little with every shot. The crummy rifle sights loosened up with every shot, and I stripped the threads trying to tighten them up. My entire shoulder was bruised/discolored for a week after.
When I actually attended the class, I learned that NONE of that was necessary. I learned how to shoot the gorram shotgun with hardly any recoil effects at all, and had NO pain, bruising, or discomfort in my shoulder. AND I found I could put five rifled slugs in a group the size of my hand at 50 yards with just the front bead!Between the class tuition, travel expenses, ammo, hotel, and food, I had a bit over a grand in that class (1989 dollars), and it was among the best money I ever spent!
I'll admit I knew nothing of the Haught method when I zero'ed mine, off a bench ( which I'm not so sure would have worked that well off a bench anyway), but I can tell you that even doing the push/pull, shooting 3" magnum slugs out of a KSG ( or a 500 for that matter) is, eh, less than comfortable.
I am curious what you learned in that class that mitigated the recoil ??
Belt Fed
Ronin
I typed great plains but it's great lakes, the link below is exactly what i looked at. but they are junk. big time slop between the upper and lower. the studs that hold the two halves together are small and where the pin goes is very thin walled. you could actually move the two halves forward and backward a tiny bit. now i am no AR snob and own cheap AR's but none cheap made as that 300. i wouldn't shoot that junk especially with a 300 mag cartridge. I have seen M-16's that has 1000's of rounds through them with less slop. i would bet one of those flimsy tabs that hold them together will break under a 300 recoil.
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Snake45
Professional
Most if not all of it is in Booya Sam's book StressFire II: Advanced Combat Shotgun, which I don't believe was published yet in 1989. GREAT read on combat shotgun. Ask for it by name.
Bassbob
Emissary
So you're going to make me buy a book instead of just telling me ?
It's all good brother, in actuality I have taken more shotgun classes than I can remember and the laws of physics dictate a finite amount of recoil mitigation, excepting unforseen future advances in technology of shotgun manufacturing.
I stand by my statement that 3" magnum slugs through a pump shotgun, regardless of recoil mitigation techniques, gets uncomfortable real quick.
Bear007
Custom
I bought a used KSG in FDE for $475 a year ago. It was a little dirty but cleaned up just fine. You got a good price.Went to the gun shop to look at a great plains AR10 in 300 win mag, but it was really cheap lookin. lots of slack between upper and lower and cheap aluminum. Doubt it would hold up under the 300 cartridge. for 1300 bucks i passed. bought this used Kel tec instead. don't look used much. not even any marks where the slides goes. got it at a good price so i brought it home.
It's a fun gun but ... it kicks like a pissed off mule. After shooting it the first time I went home and ordered the enhanced buttstock pad, but it's still a kicker.
Snake45
Professional
Then there's probably nothing if anything I could teach you. My training is now, what, over 30 years old and these techniques have no doubt disseminated throughout "the community." But it was all new to me at the time, and it was eye-opening.
Don't doubt you about 3" mags. You can have all mine.
One thing I DID learn there is that a combat-modified 20 ga Rem 100 is an AWESOME dispenser of death and destruction. To this day I still lust after one.
Snake45
Professional
Your loss, brother.
Bassbob
Emissary
I doubt that.Your loss, brother.
Bassbob
Emissary
Then there's probably nothing if anything I could teach you. My training is now, what, over 30 years old and these techniques have no doubt disseminated throughout "the community." But it was all new to me at the time, and it was eye-opening.
Don't doubt you about 3" mags. You can have all mine.
One thing I DID learn there is that a combat-modified 20 ga Rem 100 is an AWESOME dispenser of death and destruction. To this day I still lust after one.
Reduced recoil loads, 20 gauge shotguns, even 410 bore, all legitimate recoil mitigation tactics.
VERY generally speaking, pump action shotguns will run almost anything. Some autos, especially "Budget" autos, have a hard time cycling light loads. That said, the manual for the KSG states to use loads over 1200 FPS, though I have shot plenty of field loads in the 1050-1100 range through it with no issues.
I have in the past wondered if I should have bought a KSG instead of the KSG25. The KSG25 is about the length of a 21" Cruiser 500 and twice as heavy fully loaded. It's really only got two roles. Range toy and if your holed up in a SHTF situation. Alas, I solved my pint sized shotgun dilemma with an IWI TS-12, which is an autoloader with a rotating triple 5 tube magazine, holds 16 ( 17 if you ghost load it) and can be emptied in under 8 seconds and fully reloaded in about 25-30 seconds. Like the 1301 Tactical, it will cycle anything reliably, but I make a point to only use 1300 or better. And almost exclusively Federal loads, though I will run Sterling or Rio or Estate on the range occasionally. Most of the time it's Federal #4 or #1 buck for training.
Bassbob
Emissary
Last day of the Viridian sale. I personally would go for the green laser, but it is more expensive. Here's a link to the red with a pic rail adaptor.
viridianweapontech.com
HS1 AR Hand Stop Red Laser with Picatinny Rail Adapter
HS1 AR Hand Stop Red Laser with Picatinny Rail Adapter
HansGruber
Ronin
Bassbob
Emissary
My apologies brother.
I have had my eye on that prize three years running now and word came down yesterday that it looks like I will be waiting another year. It's a bad year for my year end bonus percentage. It's not a foregone conclusion yet, but it looks like I'm going to end up about a grand short. Which means I will **** away the money I do have on other stuff. Cool stuff for sure, but not my M4. :-(
Bassbob
Emissary
I will say having the TS-12 ( and the 1301 T) does ease some of the pain of continually getting screwed out of the M4 every year.
Some reviews have referred to the TS-12 as bulky and more appropriately used as a range toy. I can tell you that is false. That gun is fast AF to handle, shoot and load.
Bassbob
Emissary
This guy has some cool videos on the TS-12. His manipulation of the weapon is very good.
HansGruber
Ronin
Eh…
I’ve been wavering on getting a MR556 & MR762 for years…the Benelli can just go on that list as well.
Given, most of my other AR’s would go away at that point…might almost be cash neutral.
Hmm.
HansGruber
Ronin
On that note, though…I think it’s a day for gun stores, a burger and a beverage or two.
The leaves will last one more day before I mulch ‘em.
The leaves will last one more day before I mulch ‘em.
Bassbob
Emissary
Unfortunately for me, part of my day entails blowing the last of the leaves from the giant red oak out of my parent's gutters, gathering up and bagging the leaves and disposing of them. In the last 6 weeks I have done this 5 times, each time loading about 6 or 7 bags with leaves and the biggest acorns you've ever seen. The last of the acorns fell a couple weeks ago and the last of the leaves are on the ground and in the gutters now. So after today it's over.
The leaves at my house can just stay on the ground until my wife decides to blow them out the back gate onto the hillside and river bank.
Have fun at the gun store brother. Buy something cool.